The death penalty makes no sense.

[The Grand Nudger]

I reckon you can hit him one good time..but as soon as he rolls off your little girl and starts whining about all his broken ribs...the rest is felony assault with a deadly weapon, right?  
(you gotta drop that rear bow and come up like you're swingin for the board - don't forget to pivot!)

Still wurf.

[The Valkyrie]

1.  I'm talking serial rapists.  But I'm open to alternatives.  Like life in prison.

You didn't answer the question.

Both.

[Silver]

Neither.

Devil's advocate. You're welcome.

[Brian37]

Neither.  

Devil's advocate.  You're welcome.

What if you don't want to make deviled eggs?

[Jehanne]

An example is the piece of shit neo nazi who murdered so many kids in Norway.  A few years ago he complained of inhumane treatment because the authorities wouldn't provide him with an xbox.

Did he get his xbox?

His case is in Wikipedia; his argument was based upon equality under Norwegian law.

P.S. I wish that Japan would abolish its death penalty; the way it is carried out there is heartless.

[Amarok]

1.And the possibility of re offense is not enough to condemn someone to death or torture who might be saved .

2.Accept it fits definition of torture and one extreme case does not justify that torture 

3. And people who voted for Trump are not even a majority of the populous

5. Access to food and water does not make something not torture. That's  the same logic trumps defenders use to excuse his child prisons .Imprisonment for life is cruel and inhumane .

Your analogy does not work 

1. A dog cannot be held responsible for it's action. 

2.No i don't believe i dog should be killed for an attack it's unfair to hold a dog responsible.

3. I never compare a dog to human for an attack .The same way i would not treat a human who broke their leg the same as horse

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Why life in prison without parole is the definition of cruel and inhuman treatment 

https://decarceratepa.info/voices/life-w...nhuman-and

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/...other-name

1.  You forgot to add "In my opinion".  I've already stated I don't agree with torture.  I've said it several times.  I've also said I don't accept incarceration as torture.  But, the number who can be "saved" is too low to justify the risk.  Remember, we're talking about rapists, serial killers, murderers, and other serious, usually repeat offenders here.

2.  No, I won't accept it just because you say it.  You sound like a Christian fundamentalist here...

3.  So you're advicating shutting down prisons and letting the offenders all walj free?  I didn't say food and water, did I?  I said tgey have better access to medical treatmenr and other things many people have to wait a long time for or can't get at all.

My hypothetical is perfectly fine, you just don't want to accept it.

Yes, a dog CAN be held accountable for its actions.  They frequently are.


The broken leg comparison is weak.

So we're back to letting the criminals run free after closing the prisons?

1.But it's not an opinion and i linked my case .Who decides what's to low ? I know who were talking about that does not alter my case .

2.I never said you had to accept it .But it none the less fits the definition via the link .

3. Regardless of the resources they have access to my point stands and i said nothing about doing away with prisons

4. And i'm we should no hold a dog responsible for it's actions because it has no ability to understand what it did was wrong  and my leg  analogy is perfect if your going to compare treating a human being the way we would an animal why can't i do the same ?

And again never said we should close all the prisons

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Can pay death with more death ?

You didn’t answer my question.  Why should BTK get to wake up every day and eat a hot breakfast, take a nap, feel the sun on his face even for a minute, or sexually pleasure himself to the memories of the unspeakable horror he put his victims through?  Why should he get to do these things?  Why does he deserve his own life when he has spent much of it extinguishing the lives of others in the cruelest, most sadistic way fathomable, for his own pleasure. Why does he still have a right to life?

I did answer your question . Now i ask so what does denying all those things get us? Will killing him bring those experiences back to the dead ? What has been morally gained other then out own enjoyment of his suffering ?

[Nay_Sayer]

There are certain crimes, as far as I'm concerned, that are worthy of removal from the planet.

Serial killers.
Terrorists who commit a terrorist act.
Serial rapists.
Serial kiddie fiddlers.
Anyone who commits a murder that results in the prolonged suffering of the victim.
And others...

BUT...

...ther must be absolutely no doubt (and such cases do exist).

Why these crimes and not others ?

If you're not going to have the death penalty then the other penalties need to reflect the severity of the crime. Life should mean life, not out in ten or twenty years.

If you deliberately murder someone then your prison sentence should result in you leaving in a box.

So you would replace state sanctioned murder with state sanctioned torture?

It seems often that laws are all about the rights of the criminal and not the rights of the victims or their families.

Society is judged by how we treat the worst .Brutality towards them is easy . What right do victims have to some else life ?

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People who deliberately rape, torture, and murder others for their own sexual gratification; who subject others to the maximum possible pain and suffering; who know what they’re doing is wrong and actively evade capture so that they can continue to inflict pain, don’t deserve to continue living. 

This does not answer my question it simply states what acts you think deserve society should be allowed to indulge in vengeance over . 

 IMO.  Yes, I think that serial killers should be condemned forever for serial raping/killing.

Again why that crime and not another ?

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The way I see it, Fewer resources wasted (Food, Oxygen, Bed).

And who decides if it's being wasted ?

The people who aren't getting it.

I make no bones about being miffed about giving serial killers and child rapists 3 square meals while there are law-abiding folks starving Or providing them with basically free housing and an (albeit uncomfortable) bed while others have to do with bus stops and makeshift tents.  That's what I mean by wasted resources.

[Brian37]

I still demand answers on deviled eggs.

[Amarok]

The people who aren't getting it. 

I make no bones about being miffed about giving serial killers and child rapists 3 square meals while there are law-abiding folks starving Or providing them with basically free housing and an (albeit uncomfortable) bed while others have to do with bus stops and makeshift tents.  That's what I mean by wasted resources.

This sounds disturbingly similar to what Trump supporters say about refugees and illegal immigrants and my response is the same there no reason we can treat the worst and the most vulnerable .

[The Grand Nudger]

That sounds more like an argument to increase our funding for the homeless and hungry than a reason to kill someone.