Yahweh is all powerful, yet, my god is better than your GOD

[Justtristo]

The earliest undisputed reference which survives outside the bible for the existence of Jesus was by Tacitus (around 105 C.E.) which he got clearly from here-say.

No one in antiquity cites the Tacitus reference, not xtian, not pagan. Much like the Testimonium Flavianum it appears to be a much later forgery. Part of it appears in a 5th century work called Chronica by Sulpicius Severus but without the "Pilate the procurator" reference which xtians like to wrap their scrotums around. Severus does not cite Tacitus as his source, either, which gives the impression that he was the original author of the piece.

Please forward me a paper which discusses about this, if such a passage was a forgery that is not surprising since Christians will happily lie and deceive others for the betterment of their faith.

[Castle]

[quote='KichigaiNeko' pid='180441' dateline='1316398427']
Dear IF everyone is 'GOD' then WHY would there be any NEED for ANY Hierarchy?? or 'Governing Body'

As far as I am to understand it this "Kingdom of God being Within" is just to say (poetically) that "You are insane and delusions of grandeur are all in your mind it all comes back to you."

It’s 50% about each one of us and 50% is about everyone else. It’s not a selfish an act, because we are serveing ourselves first which create a better way to serve other best. There is no grandeur stuff because everyone is god and is create equal as making ourselves all co creators

The real delusion that leads to insane fighting and wars is to think there is only one right way to SUPER NATURAL GOD, as each religion out 1000s BELIEVES they are the one Greedy bully bunch, to do the job.

[Castle]

1. Psychologically speaking it's not healthy to pass judgment on what you or anyone else feels. Feelings are indicators or emotional realities, they aren't good or bad.

CASTLE- The subconscious and emotion create our feeling then followed by our conscious.
Judgment, we stand in awe of greatest judgmental people on earth “Christian” judging others on up to judgment day and after they are totally wrong again, they will continue more threats to world.


2. The money you're referring to is the tithe, I assume, but it's not as if God needed it for anything. The purpose of the tithe was for people to take a manageable portion of their income in order to support those who would otherwise be unable to survive. Even an atheist should appreciate the value of sharing a little bit of their wealth to help people that live on less than 1 dollar a day.

CASTLE -Yes Jesus did help the poor and was only got angry over the money money market, I guess the money market won out because the bible has 7 time more discussions than about heaven and hell combined. Nothing is wrong about having money except most of the money it per capita on earth is own by greedy Christians and they thinks it's the root of alll evil or was that Satan

3. - Difference between pretense and cause. The "Wars of Religion" were basically between countries who were just picking whoever was most advantageous to attack. Protestants attacked protestants, catholics and protestants attacked other catholics. It's not like there were really teams. Crusades were imbued with religious overtones but sparked by the same basic Greek-Persian land struggle that had been going on for thousands of years. Then of course their are people who really just get worked up into a frenzy about killing people for some stupid religious reason. This is really unfortunate, but people are completely irrational when it comes to the in-group vs. out-group dynamic. It does really matter what the different sides are Muslim vs. Christian, Socialist vs. Capitalist, coke vs. pepsi, people can legitimately hate and dehumanize the people on the other side. This really reflects the human condition and not the teachings of Jesus.

CASTLE- Coke vs. Pepsi – GOD CREATED it all perfect

4. The word "Fear" in Hebrew is incredibly nuanced and the meaning is not what people would think it is. It doesn't mean, "be afraid of" at all, but conveys the ancient concept of a sense of of awe and uncertainty in the face of something much greater than one's self.

Kind of like born again GW Bush Shock and Awe, no wonder Bush was elected twice. Now i understand, perfectly Fear means the same as respect, once you are feared you don't need to explain anything.

[KichigaiNeko]

Isn't that what you are advocating castle??

[Castle]

Isn't that what you are advocating castle??

You think loving one self first and personally growth is the same as obeying GOD first?

I Don’t lay out any political process fo individual or a large group which normally aims to influence public-policy and resource allocation decisions which means most often falls within the hands of Christain political.

My idea is to live and let live and allow any honest and harmless individual to be elected rather than over focus on any one ego group.

[KichigaiNeko]

Isn't that what you are advocating castle??

You think loving one self first and personally growth is the same as obeying GOD first?

I Don’t lay out any political process fo individual or a large group which normally aims to influence public-policy and resource allocation decisions which means most often falls within the hands of Christain political.

My idea is to live and let live and allow any honest and harmless individual to be elected rather than over focus on any one ego group.

By "harmless individual" you are inferring that "Any Idiot" who can win a popularity contest is good enough to run your country??

[Castle]

If you find someone who had kindness for we need more kindness than we need more religion in this world.
If you could find a genius not a genie depend on solving problems in health and wars. Like someone being co operative, not completive with all group like some intellectual ability, creativity, and originality, Then a democracy nation can work, when everybodys personal growth grows and minimized harm

If you could find an atheist that has a healthy imagination. If this ATHEIST is not so pessimist or group bigoted and he loves his people. Then much of this world would allow an Atheist to get their foot in the door for upper office election, I would vote for him in a heart beat.

[coffeeveritas]

1. Psychologically speaking it's not healthy to pass judgment on what you or anyone else feels. Feelings are indicators or emotional realities, they aren't good or bad.

CASTLE- The subconscious and emotion create our feeling then followed by our conscious.
Judgment, we stand in awe of greatest judgmental people on earth “Christian” judging others on up to judgment day and after they are totally wrong again, they will continue more threats to world.


2. The money you're referring to is the tithe, I assume, but it's not as if God needed it for anything. The purpose of the tithe was for people to take a manageable portion of their income in order to support those who would otherwise be unable to survive. Even an atheist should appreciate the value of sharing a little bit of their wealth to help people that live on less than 1 dollar a day.

CASTLE -Yes Jesus did help the poor and was only got angry over the money money market, I guess the money market won out because the bible has 7 time more discussions than about heaven and hell combined. Nothing is wrong about having money except most of the money it per capita on earth is own by greedy Christians and they thinks it's the root of alll evil or was that Satan

3. - Difference between pretense and cause. The "Wars of Religion" were basically between countries who were just picking whoever was most advantageous to attack. Protestants attacked protestants, catholics and protestants attacked other catholics. It's not like there were really teams. Crusades were imbued with religious overtones but sparked by the same basic Greek-Persian land struggle that had been going on for thousands of years. Then of course their are people who really just get worked up into a frenzy about killing people for some stupid religious reason. This is really unfortunate, but people are completely irrational when it comes to the in-group vs. out-group dynamic. It does really matter what the different sides are Muslim vs. Christian, Socialist vs. Capitalist, coke vs. pepsi, people can legitimately hate and dehumanize the people on the other side. This really reflects the human condition and not the teachings of Jesus.

CASTLE- Coke vs. Pepsi – GOD CREATED it all perfect

4. The word "Fear" in Hebrew is incredibly nuanced and the meaning is not what people would think it is. It doesn't mean, "be afraid of" at all, but conveys the ancient concept of a sense of of awe and uncertainty in the face of something much greater than one's self.

Kind of like born again GW Bush Shock and Awe, no wonder Bush was elected twice. Now i understand, perfectly Fear means the same as respect, once you are feared you don't need to explain anything.

Castle my friend, I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're saying. You were mostly clear, except for point number 1. Not that your English is bad, but just for my own curiosity's sake, what is your first language?

1. Something about Christians judging others, I think? Not really sure.

2. Are you saying that money wins in the Bible because the Bible talks about it so much? Most mentions of wealth, particularly in the NT, criticize the wealthy for not helping the poor. The NT talks about money a lot, but for the purpose of getting people to help others rather than hoard resources. As for greedy Christians controlling all the money, that's more statistical than anything. The majority of people in the wealthiest nations on earth claim to be Christian so it inflates the numbers of how much money Christians control. It's unfortunate, however, that these Christians don't do more to help people with that money. Here's a good reason to tithe, if all people in America who claimed to be Christian actually donated 10% of their income, we could end world hunger, ensure universal education, provide clean drinking water for all, and have a huge pool of money to rebuild infrastructure in the third world.

3. Actually Coca-cola has a horrendous human rights record (literally executing people) whereas Pepsi does a lot of community service and charity programs.

4. Well explaining or not explaining isn't really the point, and that's a modernist notion anyway. God does a lot to explain, but the ancient concept of fear recognizes that we live in a world we do not fully understand or control.

[Castle]

Coffee

Castle my friend, I'm not 100% sure I understand what you're saying. You were mostly clear, except for point number 1. Not that your English is bad, but just for my own curiosity's sake, what is your first language?

1. Something about Christians judging others, I think? Not really sure.




Castle -
English, after living mainly in Spanish countries, I lost much of it and other than in business deals I only started to write in English.

We all know generally what is good and what is bad. IF judgment day threaten the world and is totally wrong again, then when will the Christian get together and stop it... do they really need more members that bad? Oh forgot, our only soul salvation from eternal torture, is through Jesus. Jesus will only come down to hell and tell us he is suffering more than we are.

Do you know of any other group in numbers, that are more judgmental than Christian? Maybe it the greedy wealthy people who help the keep the poor people poor on less than 1 dollar a day for cheapest labor. It's not going to work much longer for now things are changing fast. i've been touring the whole world and seen it with my own eyes.

What is written in the Bible has failed because USA is more GREEDY and more Sodom and Gomorrah like and leave the largest carbon foot print per capita on this green earth than anyone. There are USA military bases in 200 countries worldwide and do we need any more of this kind of kindness. Don’t worry about rebuilding infrastructure after US WARS. Most of the population of the world, is the third world and it's is tripling the USA economic growth. The white coke that Santa used to put up his nose is now 99% sugar today. We need more coke like we need more Gambling casino to help to turn to others to more drugs.

All this chocks us or kills our mind body and spirit, so what is so hard to understand?

[ElDinero]

...Santa does coke? What the fuck?

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Also, I just noticed Castle has gone back to this fucking imagination thing that I absolutely destroyed him on last week. Castle - YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT ATHEISTS DO NOT HAVE HEALTHY IMAGINATIONS. You have not proven this is true yet! You cannot move on to commentary about the effects of atheists not having healthy imaginations without first proving that is the case.

I took great pains to explain to you why it is difficult if not impossible for an atheist to be elected to office in the USA. Go back and read it again, it was very simple.