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In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 10:58 am)robvalue Wrote: Considering God was the only thing that existed beforehand, supposedly, any decision it made about what happened after that could only be perfect for itself. Otherwise, it's just creating problems to solve.

Interesting perspective, and quite accurate.

The more one attempts to apologize the actions of man-made god, the one more supports the problems of ill logic derived from such a god.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 10:58 am)Kit Wrote:
(August 28, 2018 at 10:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You cannot be all knowing and make mistakes... period.

Except for the mistake of free will.  Omniscience eradicates free will.

So do humans have free will because they are not omniscient?

But wait, I thought they gained free will by eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So did they gain free will from having more or less knowledge?

This Xtian mythos is so inconsistent. Not like Harry Potter, Cthulhu or Lord of the Rings. But I suppose it was the first in the fantasy fiction genre.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 10:37 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(August 28, 2018 at 10:04 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No, I'm saying that an omniscient being knows every outcome of any decision, and therefore cannot make a mistake... There are many more qualities to God than 'omniscience'.


"an omniscient being knows every outcome of any decision, and therefore cannot make a mistake..."

Optimal according to what criterion?

What makes a decision the best one compared to a suboptimal decision? How is this decided?

Why should we assume that what is best for Mr God is best for us?
The end result (something an omniscient being knows) decides what is best.

The Bible states that "all things work together for good to those who love God".

So even a decision God makes that you deem "sub-optimal" (due to limited knowledge) is in your best interest.

If you gave a small child a choice between eating cake or broccoli everyday, the child will undoubtedly choose cake, but any good parent would choose broccoli, which from the point of view of the child is a sub-optimal descision, but is ultimately in the child's best interest.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 11:10 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The end result (something an omniscient being knows) decides what is best.

The Bible states that "all things work together for good to those who love God".

So even a decision God makes that you deem "sub-optimal" (due to limited knowledge) is in your best interest.

If you gave a small child a choice between eating cake or broccoli everyday, the child will undoubtedly choose cake, but any good parent would choose broccoli, which from the point of view of the child is a sub-optimal descision, but is ultimately in the child's best interest.

The "end result" is that you believe a book based on mythology over reality.

Grow the fuck up already.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 11:10 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The end result (something an omniscient being knows) decides what is best.

The Bible states that "all things work together for good to those who love God".

So even a decision God makes that you deem "sub-optimal" (due to limited knowledge) is in your best interest.


How do you know that what your god wants is in our best interests?

Do you always believe the government as well when it tells you that it knows what is best for you?

How do you know that humans aren't being harvested like farm animals?
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 11:14 am)Kit Wrote:
(August 28, 2018 at 11:10 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The end result (something an omniscient being knows) decides what is best.

The Bible states that "all things work together for good to those who love God".

So even a decision God makes that you deem "sub-optimal" (due to limited knowledge) is in your best interest.

If you gave a small child a choice between eating cake or broccoli everyday, the child will undoubtedly choose cake, but any good parent would choose broccoli, which from the point of view of the child is a sub-optimal descision, but is ultimately in the child's best interest.

The "end result" is that you believe a book based on mythology over reality.

Grow the fuck up already.

How do you determine reality?
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 11:18 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(August 28, 2018 at 11:14 am)Kit Wrote: The "end result" is that you believe a book based on mythology over reality.

Grow the fuck up already.

How do you determine reality?

Well we don't make up any old shit that we want to believe for a start.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 11:18 am)Huggy74 Wrote: How do you determine reality?

By the process of realization.

A god that cannot be proven to exist outside of "personal" experience is not a realization so much as it is a process of self delusion.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
Yeah, but.... is like..anything really real..you know, man?   Rolleyes
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
(August 28, 2018 at 11:16 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(August 28, 2018 at 11:10 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The end result (something an omniscient being knows) decides what is best.

The Bible states that "all things work together for good to those who love God".

So even a decision God makes that you deem "sub-optimal" (due to limited knowledge) is in your best interest.


How do you know that what your god wants is in our best interests?

Do you always believe the government as well when it tells you that it knows what is best for you?

How do you know that humans aren't being harvested like farm animals?
*emphasis mine*

Well in that case there's nothing any of us whether 'theist' or 'atheist' are going to be able to do about it, now is there?
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