Reason Jesus must have been a real person

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Jesus existed in precisely the same sense that King Arthur existed.

Boru

[Fake Messiah]

So one question I have, is if Jesus was completely made up, why is his name "Jesus"?

Actually Jesus the risen and the one who brings forgiveness for all sins in a single day was nothing new to the Jews because there was already a character liked in the Bible that and also named Jesus. In the Book of Zechariah there is already Jesus ben Jehozadak, the legendary first high priest of the second temple. In Zechariah 6:11-13 Lord commands Zechariah to place the crown of kingship upon Jesus, for he will rise up from his place and build the House of the Lord. Earlier, this same Jesus is given authority over the temple; brings forgiveness for all sins in a single day; and in both passages is called a high priest. So there you go: name for a messianic figure, the name "Jesus ben Jehozadak" is also remarkably suitable. As it happens, in Hebrew the name Jehozadak/Yehozadak means "Jehovah the Righteous," so one could also read this as "Jesus, the son of Jehovah the Righteous." If you are searching the scriptures for hidden messianic hints (as many first century Jews were) it doesn't take much of a leap to turn this figure into a "Jesus, the son of God." Indeed, it's tailor-made for the job.

[I_am_not_mafia]

So one question I have, is if Jesus was completely made up, why is his name "Jesus"?

Good point. You should worship the completely legitimate god called Kevin.

[Fireball]

I am a member of many sites where the people there make wood or metal projects. Most of them are quite religious, for whatever reason. I don't argue religion there, I just look at and post projects. When the subject of religion, especially xtianity, comes up, I am compelled to comment about the "putative" Jesus. I've had people tell me that Richard Carrier was all over that, but admitted that Jesus existed. Reading comprehension fail, or just outright denial, take your pick.

Um, I hope these morons aren't building anything that people's lives depend on, like bridges or tunnels.

From Page 610 of On The Historicity of Jesus.



It takes a first class moron to find  an admission that "jesus existed" in that.  Speaking of morons, where is Dripshit?

It's avoidance of that kind of stupidity that made me an atheist.

[Minimalist]

[Simon Moon]

There have been several theories proposed that Jesus was not a real person. For example, he is a divine being that lived his life in the space between heaven and earth.  I think Richard Carrier proposed this.

Carrier does not 'propose this'.

Carrier, and other scholars (including Bart Ehrman) only mention this because it was believed by some of the earliest Christians sects.

So one question I have, is if Jesus was completely made up, why is his name "Jesus"?
I would think based on prophecy, a 'fake' Jesus would have been named Immanuel.  Not Jesus.
If you are going to make it up, you would make it up so that minor discrepancies such as this would be avoided.

Don't you think, then, that the gospels were at least based on a real person?

"Jesus" was not a name in first century Palestine. Jesus is an Romanization of the name Yeshua.

I think it is quite possible that the Yeshua/Jesus character in the Bible was based on a real person, or persons. Who cares?

The problem is, even if Yeshua was a historical person, that does not offers zero evidence that he was a god-man, who performed magic.

Not only that, whoever the Yeshua/Jesus person was, he would not recognize the portrayal or stories about himself in the Bible. The person in the Bible, even if based on a real person, is completely mythologized.

[Angrboda]

Jesus is a real person because the bible tells me so.

There! Checkmate, atheists!

[Minimalist]

"Jesus" was not a name in first century Palestine. Jesus is an Romanization of the name Yeshua.

I've run into literalist assholes who actually think that Joseph and Mary's last name was "Christ."

Takes all kinds.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"Jesus" was not a name in first century Palestine. Jesus is an Romanization of the name Yeshua.

I've run into literalist assholes who actually think that Joseph and Mary's last name was "Christ."

Takes all kinds.

But Jesus was illegitimate, so unless Joseph adopted him he'd be just another bastard.

[The Grand Nudger]

Must have, otherwise he wouldn't be Josh Joe.