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Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron

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Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
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May 24, 2009 at 7:52 am
Depends what you mean by evidence..
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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 24, 2009 at 7:56 am
Something that is indication of the truth of a belief, if it ISN'T - it's not evidence. So to believe anyway without it would be to believe 'on faith'.

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May 24, 2009 at 8:00 am
At last you agree with me Wink
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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 24, 2009 at 8:06 am
No. Unless YOU'VE changed your mind.

Evidence=a rational reason to believe in the existence of something, a genuine indication of the truth of a belief. If it ISN'T genuine then it's not evidence so to believe anyway would be to believe 'on faith.'


Evidence BEING a rational reason to believe makes ABSENCE of evidence but just going ahead and believing ANYWAY... - an IRrational reason to believe. So belief without evidence is both believing 'on faith' AND irrational. So since "faith" IS belief without evidence (by the definition we're using) and that's IRrational - the term 'rational faith' is an oxymoron.

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May 24, 2009 at 8:11 am
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May 24, 2009 at 8:12 am
Lol? Wtf?

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May 24, 2009 at 8:13 am
As Roy Walker would say..

"Say what you see.."

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RE: Why 'Rational faith' Is An Oxymoron
May 24, 2009 at 8:20 am
Faith is either NO reason to believe, or a BAD reason to believe. And if you have reasons TO 'have faith' then if they're at all valid reasons, if they're NOT BAD reasons - then they'd have to equate to evidence of the truth of the belief; if they didn't they'd be BAD reasons (or 'irrational' or 'invalid'). So rational reasons to have faith BECAUSE they'd equate to evidence IF they're INDEED rational - that would cancel out the faith. Because you cannot have faith with evidence. So the term 'rational faith' is an oxymoron.

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May 24, 2009 at 8:23 am
I am going to concede and say that for intent and purposes, you are correct.
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May 24, 2009 at 8:28 am
Ok lol hehe.

I could go on forever LOL.

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