DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

I determined my explanation for pain and suffering by deciding on the only thing that would make this a fair and just universe. The fact that over a billion people in the world think so too was just an added bonus.

So, rather than actually investigate pain or suffering or their causes, you made yet another illogical leap into hilarity?

Perhaps you should have considered, even in that..and at least for a moment, that the universe is not fair or just?  Just as you may have at least taken a second to consider that there may be no natural force that gives a shit about your love, sex drive, and survival?  We can all see that you very much wish for a universe that is fair or just, and for some force to give a shit about you, and your sex drive, and your survival...and ofc for some state of affairs where you get to live in lala dimension forever and ever for being a good little girl who suffered just the way her boyfriend wanted her to.....but...I want you to try an experiment for me.

Hold out both of your hands.  Wish into one of them.  Shit into the other.

If there was no force that cared about us having a sex drive, we wouldn't have one. If there was no force that provided food for the 7.8 million different species of life on this planet, we would all be dead.

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No one:
What about other planets? What makes the third stone from the sun so special?

Everena:
It's where we live.

That's why it's special? Because humans dwell there? What makes humans so freakin' special?

Animals are here too. And what makes us all so special? We are what is.

[The Grand Nudger]

If there was no force that cared about us having a sex drive, we wouldn't have one.

Riiiiiight, and the rain only falls because the raingod cares about it.

If there was no force that provided food for the 7.8 million different species of life on this planet, we would all be dead.

Back to this silly shit?  The 7.8 million different species of life on this planet are food for each other.  What "force" do you think is out there making doggy bags and sampler plates?

So, just for a recap. You have no idea why pain and suffering exist, you wish the universe were just even though you observe that it is not, and you think that god is a caterer...in addition to being a bit of a perv.

Your boyfriend sounds like a real piece of work. Imma pass on that date.

[Angrboda]

Infinite series do not have a first member so they don't need a cause.  Maybe if you reflected on shit that you actually understand you would be more successful.

Nope the whole series if it exists all needs a cause... like for example show me one part of it that doesn't need a cause. Just one.  Like present state of it needed a past cause which needed a past cause.

So that claim is bunk.

I explained also how the whole thing is an effect still.

The fallacy composition doesn't apply to it.

Infinite series as in mathematical concept yes doesn't need a cause. Because it's imaginary.

Tell that to Everena, the one you seem to have become chums with. She believes in an actual infinite series.

[Bucky Ball]

What article specifically are you claiming I did not understand?

Jesus H. Fucking Christ.
You STILL have not quoted the relevant part of the article you claimed said bacteria can exist in two different places.
Yeah -- that one. Either you are the most dishonest troll ever, or your memory is shot. Are you on drugs ?

[Angrboda]

YOU SAID: if I am in love with a woman, my experience can be explained by brain chemistry and neurotransmitters, sure
My question is: brain chemistry and neurotransmitters that came to be how exactly?

Additionally true love with your soulmate/other half is the only thing in the whole world that really matters and to me is our whole reason for being. God is not even a close second. 

In regards to my experiences, just let it go. I know what I experienced, I am a huge skeptic of everything and this went well beyond any and all doubt for me or I would not be so sure of it. I had mutual/shared experiences verified on the spot (including the making love experience) and so many other signs that I have no doubts left at all and I am 100% sure that God and eternal life are truths. I however do not expect you to take my word for it. You need to have your own experiences in order to prove it to yourself beyond any doubt. Just please do not pretend that you know anything about what someone else has experienced because you don't.

So why are you here?

[Astreja]

"Should" believe?  No, that makes it sound like a voluntary thing.  "Do" believe and "do not" believe are more accurate.

I can't make myself believe things that I see as ridiculous, and can't make myself not believe things that appear inevitable.

And in your worldview, life existing after death seems ridiculous. Ok, well I accept that. My dad felt the same way for many, many years and has just now as he is in his 70s started to consider otherwise.

I'm in my 60s.  In the last ten years I've been intimately acquainted with death, having lost both my parents, the last of my maternal aunts, and all nine of my Dark Legion of Cats.  I was the person in the family who actually interred the ashes of aforementioned parents and the aunt in their respective gravesites.  I dug holes to bury two of the cats, and drove several other cats' bodies to a cremation facility.  I know what it's like to stand in the presence of death.

I accept death.  I refuse to deny it or turn my face from it.

I had a vision when I was eleven years old, Everena:  I stood "outside" space-time and observed the entire universe rising and falling.  There is no ultimate purpose to it all.  There  are only the myriad purposes that we ourselves find in our lives, and their finitude is what makes them precious.

[Bucky Ball]

Everena

You should believe whatever makes the most sense to you and if that makes sense to you, so be it.

Yeah, we heard that yesterday ... just go with what you *need* to be the truth.
Now *that's* a great way to approach reality ... make it up as you go along.

[The Valkyrie]

658 pages of nonsense and ignored counter arguments.

It's like moths to a flame.

[Angrboda]

@Everena:

I'm a bit unclear about what you believe. You say we are eternal, we reincarnate, and there is justice. Do we continually run the circle of Samsara, suffering eternally, or is there some end in which all our suffering is justified and redeemed? If there is, is that end the extinction of ourselves, or an eternal afterlife? If it is an eternal afterlife, is it one of perpetual happiness, or will their be suffering, failure, and frustration in that afterlife?

[Pat Mustard]

Adding billions of years to something does not all of a sudden make it possible. A complex code does not just come into existence from nothing.

We know that all that's needed to spur evolution is time and a changing environment.  Hell it took us less than ten thousand years to change this:



to this:



or this:



or even this:



There is a reason that farmers were amongst the first groups to accept evolution, you know.  They were practising what Terry Pratchett termed "unnatural selection" for thousands of years.

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I have to ask, but is anybody else getting the vibe that Evarena is a sock of CDF? Because it's uncanny the way they are both only posting in this thread.