Christian morality delusions

[tackattack]

Ideals are valuable when held I agree. Relying on subjective morality and societal ideals is less valuable than objective ideals and an objective moral authority. 

There's an interesting misconception that the faithful have, with regards to which side of that line they find themselves on, on account of their faith.  The religious often call their other-than objective moral system objective..and the irreligious mistakenly describe their objective moral system as other-than objective.

So I've been told that I might have a misconception and I didn't want to put this in philosophy because it's on account of my faith as a Christian.

Here are my thoughts on morality
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs
There is societal morality- what is commonly accepted to be right or wrong for a people within a particular society
There is universal morality (possibly)- things that rational people of any time and any place find right or wrong
There is objective morality- A being I call God exists outside the universe that influences us through the Holy Spirit to inform of objective morality.


Do I fall under the misconceptions you were referencing?

[The Grand Nudger]

There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs

It would only be subjective if your experiences and beliefs had no objective referent.  If they were mind dependent.  

There is societal morality- what is commonly accepted to be right or wrong for a people within a particular society

Which can be an objective morality.

There is universal morality (possibly)- things that rational people of any time and any place find right or wrong

Unlikely, particularly if morality is objective.  Rational people can disagree.  

There is objective morality- A being I call God exists outside the universe that influences us through the Holy Spirit to inform of objective morality.

Nothing to do with objective morality whatsoever.  

Do I fall under the misconceptions you were referencing?

To a T.

[Angrboda]

There's an interesting misconception that the faithful have, with regards to which side of that line they find themselves on, on account of their faith.  The religious often call their other-than objective moral system objective..and the irreligious mistakenly describe their objective moral system as other-than objective.

So I've been told that I might have a misconception and I didn't want to put this in philosophy because it's on account of my faith as a Christian.

Here are my thoughts on morality
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs
There is societal morality- what is commonly accepted to be right or wrong for a people within a particular society
There is universal morality (possibly)- things that rational people of any time and any place find right or wrong
There is objective morality- A being I call God exists outside the universe that influences us through the Holy Spirit to inform of objective morality.


Do I fall under the misconceptions you were referencing?

I think, most religious conceptions of morality are like that cartoon where, in the middle of solving an equation on a blackboard, the individual writes, "and then a miracle happens," and the professor says that he thinks he needs to be more explicit in that step. Theist accounts of morals typically only have a surface appearance of logic, reason, and sufficiency. A little leverage at the right points, and they come flying apart.

I can't say that I agree with Gae Bolga about the second half of that statement. He and I both acknowledge the possibility of objective morals in the absence of a god or similar transcendent source, but we diverge significantly from there. I disagree with the bulk of his ideas concerning moral realism and how it may arise.

[LadyForCamus]

There's an interesting misconception that the faithful have, with regards to which side of that line they find themselves on, on account of their faith.  The religious often call their other-than objective moral system objective..and the irreligious mistakenly describe their objective moral system as other-than objective.

So I've been told that I might have a misconception and I didn't want to put this in philosophy because it's on account of my faith as a Christian.

Here are my thoughts on morality
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs
There is societal morality- what is commonly accepted to be right or wrong for a people within a particular society
There is universal morality (possibly)- things that rational people of any time and any place find right or wrong
There is objective morality- A being I call God exists outside the universe that influences us through the Holy Spirit to inform of objective morality.


Do I fall under the misconceptions you were referencing?

You are a much needed breath of fresh air on these forums.  May I be so annoying as to answer your question with a question? Where do god’s morals come from, and by what method or criteria can it be concluded that they are objective?

[The Grand Nudger]

@Jorg
I disagree with the bulk of ideas concerning moral realism and how it arises, as well. 
(mostly because every contemporary form of moral realism has been deeply informed by error theory, even though they all, ultimately, reject it.)

[Brian37]

There's an interesting misconception that the faithful have, with regards to which side of that line they find themselves on, on account of their faith.  The religious often call their other-than objective moral system objective..and the irreligious mistakenly describe their objective moral system as other-than objective.

So I've been told that I might have a misconception and I didn't want to put this in philosophy because it's on account of my faith as a Christian.

Here are my thoughts on morality
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs
There is societal morality- what is commonly accepted to be right or wrong for a people within a particular society
There is universal morality (possibly)- things that rational people of any time and any place find right or wrong
There is objective morality- A being I call God exists outside the universe that influences us through the Holy Spirit to inform of objective morality.


Do I fall under the misconceptions you were referencing?

"God" is merely a claim you heard in the past and bought from someone else. There are 7 billion humans and not every one of them buys the same super natural being claim you do. 

Maybe you need to consider all that is is your own fear of being finite, and a reflection of your own human qualities in fictional form.

If you don't  need to plop in Thor as a gap answer to why lightening happens, what makes you think in a 13.8 billion year old universe humans are some sort of apple of a super cognition's eye? 

Our species evolved to socialize and THAT, not old mythology, not old writings, but our evolution, is where we develop our sense of morality.

If this "God" you think is real is so "objective" then why don't we still live under kings? Why don't we still own slaves? Why can women vote now?

[The Grand Nudger]

None of that has anything to do with objective morality, either.

[no one]

Morality is what I say is right!
Immorality is what I say is wrong!

[Chad32]

So I've been told that I might have a misconception and I didn't want to put this in philosophy because it's on account of my faith as a Christian.

Here are my thoughts on morality
There is subjective morality- what I feel internally to be right and wrong as according to my experience and beliefs
There is societal morality- what is commonly accepted to be right or wrong for a people within a particular society
There is universal morality (possibly)- things that rational people of any time and any place find right or wrong
There is objective morality- A being I call God exists outside the universe that influences us through the Holy Spirit to inform of objective morality.


Do I fall under the misconceptions you were referencing?

You are a much needed breath of fresh air on these forums.  May I be so annoying as to answer your question with a question? Where do god’s morals come from, and by what method or criteria can it be concluded that they are objective?

That is the big question why is it my opinions on morality are subjective, but this god's opinions on morality aren't? If they come from an individual, they're subjective. Hence why a lot of people nowadays are against ethnic cleansing, whereas the god of the bible uses that as his standard response to things not going right.

[Minimalist]

There is universal morality (possibly)- things that rational people of any time and any place find right or wrong

An example, please.