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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:03 pm
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(October 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm)aleialoura Wrote: I'm not afraid to die. I once told a man with a gun to my head that he was a pussy if he didn't do it. Mainly because it was in a crowded IHOP, and I was 60% sure he wouldn't, but many considered it to be a reckless move on my part. If my death would insure the extinction of those whom can't be rehabilitated, I would die for it. What's my life compared to the lives of my children who might one day fall victim to a sociopath? Nothing. I don't just feel that way about my own kids, but all the good and harmless people in the world.
I've lived an interesting, amazing life. I'm not afraid to die, especially for a good cause. The only tragedy would be if I hadn't finished writing my memoir.
(October 13, 2011 at 10:50 pm)Phaedra Wrote: (October 13, 2011 at 10:47 pm)Epimethean Wrote: I'll go with the odds there. Psychos and sociopaths need to be removed from society utterly. There is no rehab, and putting them in boxes does not compute.
Why not?
Because good people have to pay for the boxes.
Neither am I. I have been in similar situations as well.
The thought of killing someone ELSE who is innocent is my problem.
(October 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm)Epimethean Wrote: If you lose a family member to one. I spent too long locking up guys who beat their wives almost to death every couple of months, maybe. If a person kills three people premeditatively, and does so with absolute disregard for their humanity, mine is gone for that person. This is not a case in which doubt exists. Burn the motherfuckers alive.
For you..but what about the jury that has to take peoples words on it?
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:06 pm
(October 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm)aleialoura Wrote: Because good people have to pay for the boxes.
Good people have to pay for the executions too.
That will never hold up in court...
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:06 pm
(October 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm)Epimethean Wrote: If you lose a family member to one. I spent too long locking up guys who beat their wives almost to death every couple of months, maybe. If a person kills three people premeditatively, and does so with absolute disregard for their humanity, mine is gone for that person. This is not a case in which doubt exists. Burn the motherfuckers alive.
Wild emotion is no logical argument to sink to their level. If we based our punishments off of people's "feelings" like that... ugh...
Locking them up for long is the answer. Best solution is that they live a very long life and die, never able to escape. Never able to live. Never able to grow.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:10 pm
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My ex was charged with MURDER because he had a beer, went to the store to get more beer, was pulling out of the parking lot, and the son of the richest man in town was doing over 100 mph on a motorcycle (chasing after a girl, on heroine), and crashed into him as he pulled out. He sat in jail for a year before the whole thing was overturned.
So I can see where you are coming from on that, but at the same time, I think it isn't terribly difficult to identify a true sociopath/psychopath as someone who can't be rehabilitated and separate them from the one's who respond to rehab.
Like I said, I am more against life sentences than pro death penalty.
(October 13, 2011 at 11:06 pm)Phaedra Wrote: (October 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm)aleialoura Wrote: Because good people have to pay for the boxes.
Good people have to pay for the executions too.
Money well spent, in my opinion. Cheaper than keeping them alive for an unknown number of years. You can reuse rope.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:16 pm
The fact that you advocate using rope and by extension, hanging, kinda makes you out to be a rather ghoulish individual. At a bare minimum, it certainly colors what you say.
Certainly seems to be quite savage to sink to the savage's level.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:16 pm
(October 13, 2011 at 11:06 pm)Phaedra Wrote: (October 13, 2011 at 10:58 pm)aleialoura Wrote: Because good people have to pay for the boxes.
Good people have to pay for the executions too.
And the cost is surprisingly high, Phae.
http://www.parade.com/news/intelligence-...hment.html
Quote:In New Jersey, which halted executions in 2007, a commission found that switching a single condemned inmate’s sentence to life without parole would save the state $1.3 million in incarceration costs alone, because death-row inmates receive special housing and security. Repealing the death penalty in North Carolina, where 169 prisoners are on death row, could save that state $11 million a year in incarceration costs and legal fees associated with the extensive appeals process, according to a study published in American Law and Economics Review in December.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:21 pm
(October 13, 2011 at 11:16 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: The fact that you advocate using rope and by extension, hanging, kinda makes you out to be a rather ghoulish individual. At a bare minimum, it certainly colors what you say.
Certainly seems to be quite savage to sink to the savage's level.
Sociopaths use rope to tie up their victims before they rape them, douse them in gasoline and set them on fire. But I'm a ghoulish individual for thinking those hopeless pieces of shit should hang? I can handle that.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:28 pm
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And the cost is surprisingly high, Phae.
http://www.parade.com/news/intelligence-...hment.html
[quote]In New Jersey, which halted executions in 2007, a commission found that switching a single condemned inmate’s sentence to life without parole would save the state $1.3 million in incarceration costs alone, because death-row inmates receive special housing and security. Repealing the death penalty in North Carolina, where 169 prisoners are on death row, could save that state $11 million a year in incarceration costs and legal fees associated with the extensive appeals process, according to a study published in American Law and Economics Review in December. [/quote]
Yup. It's a huge waste of resources.
That will never hold up in court...
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 13, 2011 at 11:34 pm
I used to be a supporter of the death penalty for certain heinous crimes. I have been rethinking this position and no longer support it.
Were justice perfect and mistakes never made, I might be able to continue supporting capital punishment - however, in light of the way that it's actually implemented in the U.S.A., I cannot.
A mistaken conviction cannot be reversed if the person is dead. No system of justice is perfect, and wrongful convictions must have an avenue for reversal.
Let the worst offenders who cannot be allowed to be amongst the general population rot in prison for life with no chance of parole (e.g. cases of premeditated murder, rape of a child, kidnapping-for-profit, treason in wartime, etc). I'd probably also throw in the most egregious cases of corporate and political corruption as well.
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RE: The Death Penalty - are you for or against it and why?
October 14, 2011 at 12:54 am
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When it comes to dealing with murderers, what exactly is the logic behind killing them in order to teach everyone else that killing people is wrong?
I'm completely opposed to capital punishment. An execution costs far more than life in prison, and I just don't see the point in killing people in order to teach a lesson. Execution just seems like an attempt for people to achieve some sort of closure or something. It's a very vengeful and low concept, after all, killing these people doesn't fix the things they've done, it just costs time, effort and money.
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