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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 10:58 am
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(September 19, 2019 at 10:48 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: People have alot less power to choose what goes in their mouths than we like to imagine. That part of us is ancient and hardwired. The choosing part, well, not so much...if at all. The whole drama plays out under a crushing set of external factors regardless of our ability to choose.
What?
I mean, there are a lot of factors that go into what we eat; I recognize poverty as a big one. But... ancient, hardwired reasons beyond our power? Don't know about that one. We have more agency than that.
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:00 am
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Do we? Why do we feel hungry? Why do we overeat? Why do we binge? Why do we seek out high calorie foods and find them so delicious? Why do we trend towards inactivity?
These are strategies for staying alive. Your agency is not in control of them, it didn't decide them, it isn't exactly stellar at overriding them. It's our own biology working against us, whatever our agency is, if it is. So that's the hill we have to climb, the weight agency has to lift. Lets imagine that agency can lift 90% of it....the remaining 10% will just tack on, year after year, as your metabolism slows down and you succumb to injury and use damage.
-and we know that agency isn't 90% of obesity. It's not even the strongest predictor.
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:04 am
In fact, you are attempting to discredit personal responsibility. But keep telling yourself you aren't. I couldn't care less. I, for one, choose to take responsibility for my bad habits, and do something about them. Call me crazy I guess.
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:10 am
As do we all, to one extent or another, even if our responsible agency isn't up to the task. Hence..deep personal shame, which often leads to comfort eating, lol.
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:14 am
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(September 19, 2019 at 11:00 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Why do we feel hungry? Why do we overeat? Why do we binge? Why do we seek out high calorie foods and find them so delicious? Why do we trend towards inactivity?
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??? I have control over all those things if I try to?
If anything, our "hardwired" biology makes us super adaptable and makes it more possible to control those things...
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:20 am
We like to think so, and yet.
You controlled your genetics? You control what tastes good to you? You control feeling hungry? You control the circumstances of your life, society, and civilization and how that interfaces with the previous items?
No, ofc not. That's complete and utter hubris. No one, absolutely no one, is arguing that you have no control. Whatever control we have is necessarrily limited, and demonstrably compromised....and not the strongest predictor of obesity or of weight loss.
Everyone has "control"...and yet........
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:26 am
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(September 19, 2019 at 10:52 am)EgoDeath Wrote: You know when you choose the pizza it's an unhealthy choice. And you know you should have went with the salad. That's called a choice. Trying to write this off as some sort of deterministic fate that none of us can control is just a lame attempt at discrediting personal responsibility. Not having this argument with you, sorry.
Go work at the VA for the day. Tell the homeless vet who lost one leg overseas and the other to diabetes after he came home; who is hospitalized because he was making suicide threats after his wife left him due to alcohol abuse; tell him he should eat a salad instead of that pizza because it’s “bad for him”. Tell him you’re there to teach him about counting carbs.
Then come back and tell us what he threw at your head.
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:31 am
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I'm 40 pounds overweight. I've been in pt for 20 years. I used to be a marathon runner. I emphatically will not reach my goal of 190, no matter how much of my "control" I exert...and I like to think I have a shit-ton of that...but people like me call it discipline, not control, and we understand it's limits, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:42 am
(September 19, 2019 at 11:31 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: I'm 40 pounds overweight. I've been in pt for 20 years. I used to be a marathon runner. I emphatically will not reach my goal of 190, no matter how much of my "control" I exert...and I like to think I have a shit-ton of that...but people like me call it discipline, not control, and we understand it's limits, lol.
It’s alright, Gae. Dad bods are totally in right now.
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RE: Maher/Corden and obesity
September 19, 2019 at 11:48 am
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I've never had any complaints when the towel comes off. That's how I got into this dad bod mess in the first place! 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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