i feel so angry and disapointed

[I believe in Harry Potter]

Holy shit Boru is fast.

Can someone post the images so everybody can see the graphs? Message me

Gae Bolga , what you're saying is basically explaining a two words answer in a pseudo prolific way of saying that strawmaned them, which....no that's not what i was doing, i was directly pointing out the most obvious contradictions of religion.

[Shell B]

If ya fucking know ya can't post the images, why on Earth are you posting them? Stahp.

[arewethereyet]

Holy shit Boru is fast.

Can someone post the images so everybody can see the graphs? Message me

Gae Bolga , what you're saying is basically explaining a two words answer in a pseudo prolific way of saying that strawmaned them, which....no that's not what i was doing, i was directly pointing out the most obvious contradictions of religion.

Why would someone post images for you?

You will wait according to the rules like everyone else.

Nobody here, except maybe you, is going to lose sleep counting down your 30/30.

[mordant]

Still waiting for the punch line, im not saying there has to be a religious free world, but there doesn't have to be a religiousness free world either

I'm not sure what you just said there, but the basic point is that if you don't like the religious proselytizing you, you should not proselytize them, either. If they have doubts they think you can address, they'll let you know. Otherwise, just as you'd like them to mind their own business, you can do that, too.

This doesn't mean that there might not be an organic opportunity to share something thought provoking at times, but in the main, just don't be a dick.

By 2070 we will all be Muslims, since Christianity has also hit a plateau in comparison to Islam.

No. By 2070, Islam will be the largest world religion, bumping Christianity from that position. That is by no means the same is "we will all be Muslims".

Im not going to keep on with my atheistic arguments because i already know that you guys don't like atheistic arguments, you'd rather suggest me cooperate with the creeps.

No one here, least of all me, has suggested any such thing. Being respectful and kind to people is not colluding with them in their delusions.

And as others have pointed out, you aren't going to browbeat them into changing their beliefs. If and when they change their beliefs, it will be because the pain of changing is less for them than the pain of not changing. That's the only reason anyone changes anything about themselves, ever.

[I believe in Harry Potter]

And as others have pointed out, you aren't going to browbeat them into changing their beliefs. If and when they change their beliefs, it will be because the pain of changing is less for them than the pain of not changing. That's the only reason anyone changes anything about themselves, ever.

That's natural to believe until you see the other graph i listed , it's all fun and games until you see that finding that reported Asian pacific which includes China . China holds the largest population figures in the world leading a drastic drop in the average amount of atheists in all over the world, and it is reported that by 2055-2060 Asian Pacific countries will have a drop caused in deaths compared to births by 25 million so statistically your chances on being an atheist in the future will be less than 1%. The majority of the global unaffiliated population lives in Asia and the Pacific.

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]To be clear, the total number of religiously unaffiliated people (which includes atheists, agnostics and those who do not identify with any religion in particular) is expected to rise in absolute terms, from 1.17 billion in 2015 to 1.20 billion in 2060. But this growth is projected to occur at the same time that other religious groups – and the global population overall – are growing even faster.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]These projections, which take into account demographic factors such as fertility, age composition and life expectancy, forecast that people with no religion will make up about 13% of the world’s population in 2060, down from roughly 16% as of 2015.[/color]

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]This relative decline is largely attributable to the fact that religious “nones” are, on average, older and have fewer children than people who are affiliated with a religion. In 2015, for instance, the median age of people who belong to any of the world’s religions was 29, compared with 36 among the unaffiliated. And between 2010 and 2015, adherents of religions are estimated to have given birth to an average of 2.45 children per woman, compared with an average of 1.65 children among the unaffiliated.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)][img=310x0]https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2017/04/07091603/PF_17.04.05_projectionsUpdate_natIncUnafil310px_2NEW.png[/img]Between 2010 and 2015, there were a larger estimated number of births than deaths among religious “nones” in all regions, led by the Asia-Pacific region, which is home to a majority of the global religiously unaffiliated population. But this will change in the coming years. For people with no religion in Asia, for instance, the number of deaths will begin to exceed the number of births to unaffiliated mothers by 2030, a change driven by low fertility and a relatively old unaffiliated population in China, where over 60% of the world’s unaffiliated population currently resides. By 2035, unaffiliated deaths in Europe are expected to outnumber births there as well.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]In projecting the relative decline of the unaffiliated we also factored in religious switching, or conversion, for the 70 countries with reliable switching data. Religious switching has been powering the rise of the “nones” in the United States and Europe, and a net gain globally of nearly 70 million people are projected to join the ranks of the unaffiliated through religious switching between 2015 and 2060. But at the global level, gains made through religious switching are overshadowed by the impact of fertility and mortality.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Some social theorists have suggested that as countries develop economically, more of their residents will move away from religious affiliation, as has been seen in Europe. But there is little evidence of such a phenomenon in Muslim-majority countries. Moreover, in Hindu-majority India, religious affiliation is still nearly universal despite rapid economic and social change.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]China, with its large population and lack of reliable data on religious switching, is a wild card in our analysis. This is especially true for the religiously unaffiliated population because more than 700 million people of the 1.17 billion who do not identify with any religion live in China.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Some experts believe the Christian population in China is rising while the religiously unaffiliated population is falling. If this is true – and the trend continues – religious “nones” could decline as a share of the world’s population even more than the Pew Research Center study projects.[/color]
[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]This is an update of a post originally published on April 3, 2015.[/color]

• Because atheists believe in contraception they are having less children
  
  
• This is compared to religious individuals who preach against birth control 
  
  
• Experts found Muslims have the most children on average - 4.29 in the US
  

Muslim 

According to the Islamic faith, sex is forbid outside of marriage and there have been many cases where both the man and woman were physically punished for their actions.

On the other hand, there is no laws against or for contraception, and eight of the nine classic schools of Islamic law permit it.

However, conservative Islamic leaders preach against the use of condoms or other types of birth control, which has made it difficult for people to get access to what they need for family planning.

Although the Qur'an does not mention birth control directly, it does provide a quote that many Muslims believe opposes it.

'You should not kill your children for fear of want' (17:31, 6:151).

Some believe that preventing a pregnancy from happening is also killing a child.

Catholics 

Catholics believe contraception is sinful and the worst being birth control pills.

This religious group says that it doesn't prevent the sperm and egg from conceiving, but acts as an abortifacient.

They believe birth control pills force the uterus to eject potentially fertilized eggs, which they believe is an embryo and a person.

The Catholic Church also sees condoms and other artificial contraception as morally wrong, because they teach marriage should only be done in marriage.

However, this religious groups does encourage people to use natural science as a form of contraception.
This includes taking body temperature, checking body fluids, and using some computations, as they say a woman can determine with 95% accuracy when to have sex and not get pregnant. 


It even makes sense that people with the religious gene would have a reproductive success edge in the future too.

"Genes may help determine how religious a person is, suggests a new study of US twins. And the effects of a religious upbringing may fade with time.

Until about 25 years ago, scientists assumed that religious behaviour was simply the product of a person’s socialisation – or “nurture”. But more recent studies, including those on adult twins who were raised apart, suggest genes contribute about 40% of the variability in a person’s religiousness.

But it is not clear how that contribution changes with age. A few studies on children and teenagers – with biological or adoptive parents – show the children tend to mirror the religious beliefs and behaviours of the parents with whom they live. That suggests genes play a small role in religiousness at that age.

Now, researchers led by Laura Koenig, a psychology graduate student at the University of Minnesota in Minneapolis, US, have tried to tease apart how the effects of nature and nurture vary with time. Their study suggests that as adolescents grow into adults, genetic factors become more important in determining how religious a person is, while environmental factors wane.







Religious discussions

The team gave questionnaires to 169 pairs of identical twins – 100% genetically identical – and 104 pairs of fraternal twins – 50% genetically identical – born in Minnesota.

The twins, all male and in their early 30s, were asked how often they currently went to religious services, prayed, and discussed religious teachings. This was compared with when they were growing up and living with their families. Then, each participant answered the same questions regarding their mother, father, and their twin.

The twins believed that when they were younger, all of their family members – including themselves – shared similar religious behaviour. But in adulthood, however, only the identical twins reported maintaining that similarity. In contrast, fraternal twins were about a third less similar than they were as children.

“That would suggest genetic factors are becoming more important and growing up together less important,” says team member Matt McGue, a psychologist at the University of Minnesota.

Empty nests

Michael McCullough, a psychologist at the University of Miami in Coral Gables, Florida, US, agrees. “To a great extent, you can’t be who you are when you’re living under your parents’ roof. But once you leave the nest, you can begin to let your own preferences and dispositions shape your behaviour,” he told New Scientist.

“Maybe, ultimately, we all decide what we’re most comfortable with, and it may have more to do with our own makeup than how we were treated when we were adolescents,” says McGue.

About a dozen studies have shown that religious people tend to share other personality traits, although it is not clear whether these arise from genetic or environmental factors. These include the ability to get along well with others and being conscientious, working hard, being punctual, and controlling one’s impulses.

But McGue says the new work suggests that being raised in a religious household may affect a person’s long-term psychological state less than previously thought. But he says the influence from this early socialisation may re-emerge later on, when the twins have families of their own. He also points out that the finding may not be universal because the research focused on a single population of US men."

[The Grand Nudger]

Majority demographics have been changing hands from one cult to another long before the two referenced existed.

[Abaddon_ire]

Holy shit Boru is fast.

Can someone post the images so everybody can see the graphs? Message me

Gae Bolga , what you're saying is basically explaining a two words answer in a pseudo prolific way of saying that strawmaned them, which....no that's not what i was doing, i was directly pointing out the most obvious contradictions of religion.

You are doing everything wrong. My devout catholic parents managed to raise four outright atheist children despite catholic schooling and all the rest of the indoctrination crap. Hell, as a kid I was even in the Legion of Mary.

But it never led to familial strife, because every one of us respected the boundaries of the other's personal beliefs or lack thereof. If one volunteered for such a conversation, then fair game, but always civil. Otherwise, not on the map as a discussion topic.

An atheist has no reason to proselytise. Because they do not have a creed to proselytise. If you think you have one then you are doing it wrong.

[I believe in Harry Potter]

Okay i got my lesson, people already have been telling me that, now since this issue is resolved for how long am i going to be getting back in the past to the same problem , please for god's shake guys, we're done with this topic , i know how to act for now on dealing with this, just stop getting me back to this same thing. I thought i was done with it for life and then i keep getting notifications coming back to this thing i wanted to impulsively vent out of my mind. Please don't execute me guys, i love my life.

Will there be more triggered internet dorks coming out of their mom's basement cage?
Butthurt? 
What if i believe in my abilities to influence a large amount of people in my local church? In fact i do since i was able to do something similar in the past during college. What are you going to do? Yes in fact im planning on doing that because this fucking shit triggers me. What really im annoyed by is that i can't link any evidence on why religions are dangerous yet because it will take a painful amount of time since i can finally have the chance to shove the research papers in your face

[EgoDeath]

You will find ignorance no matter where you go. Talking to people about religion can be tough. Sexuality can be even tougher.

To me, I have little interest, or patience for, talking to people about religion who dont have the slightest clue about what they actually believe. You can rest assured that most Christians in the US specifically dont know what they believe. Go out and ask ten Christians about different stories from the bible... Youll get a lot of "i dont know" and "im not sure" and "i just believe in being a good person." Most people here just call themselves Christian out of tradition or politeness.

As far as sexuality... Im not gonna debate with someone about it. Ive never in my life had a problem with homosexuality or trans people. Its those damn pans you gotta worry about

But in all seriousness, I just dont get it. Ill admit im not super up to date on all of the lingo and concepts about gender identity. And my privilelege allows me to not care. And im cool with that.

You might find that talking about religion and sexuality and other hot button issues isnt worth it. Thats why many people are relegated to coming in here to discuss such issues.

[The Grand Nudger]

Maybe you do have the ability to influence people at church. They're already primed for charismatic manipulation...they're at church. Thing is, it's going to be alot harder to tap into that with a counter-narrative than it is to use the context of their shared beliefs to effect.

It's the difference between standing in a crowd of muslims shouting "allah is pigshit, death to america" and "god is great, death to america".