Abortion: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?

[Minimalist]

I believe it is a 'person' from conception.

So what?

The end result of your argument is that you are sentencing any woman who is unlucky during sex to a minimum of 18 years hard labor raising this "person" to adulthood. And, if she fails to do an acceptable job and the kid dies there are people who will want her thrown in jail for failing at a job which, if it weren't for sanctimonious twats insisting she have the kid in the first place, she knew from the beginning she was not ready to handle.

If its own mother does not want it where is my interest? There is a simple solution to the problem which does not impact you in any way. What gives you the right to stick your nose into someone else's business?

[Cinjin]

Granted. I didn't mean to be provocative, and I apologise for that mistake. I believe it is a 'person' from conception.

That's my biggest problem right there. This age old debate is really not about the life itself, it's really about religion. Basically it's the, "when does god issue a person his or her soul?" argument. Conception? After all if your zygote dies, aren't you going to want to go see it in heaven?? It's the same old fear of death bull shit that gave us the slavery of heaven and the eternal damnation of hell!

(Note: If a woman has a miscarriage 3 weeks after conception and the fetus dies and goes to heaven it would then realistically have no personality, no behavior traits, no language, no social development and no knowledge of you whatsoever. The very idea, like most things christian, was not well thought out.)

I think christians are lying. I don't think they give a shit about life - that's pretty much been proven throughout the old testament. They yell, "SAVE THE BABIES" while their bible tells the armies of Israel to cut them out of the pagans wombs.

Nope, it's not life. It's a purely religious issue. At what point is a person handed a soul? I has to be about that. If their argument was TRULY about protecting LIFE, than why don't they bitch about rubbing out some knuckle-babies and disposing of them in a wadded up tissue??? Is there not 'the essence of life' in semen? Gimme a break.

This debate isn't about life, it's about religion and whether or not it is a sin to terminate pregnancy. "If it's got a soul - than it must be murder." That's the real truth. They use propaganda like gross medical pictures vs. pictures of beautiful 3 year olds to sell it, but in reality, they're just protecting the idiocy of their religion. Have you read the Bible?!?!? Life is NOT precious to a christian. Yeah, they THINK it is, but in reality, they believe the only person allowed to violently kill babies is their precious god. Its disgusting hypocrisy.



My take on the whole thing... I personally would probably never want to see my child aborted, but let a woman (or couple) do what they want and leave her the fuck alone! Isn't religion doing enough to fuck up the world already?!?

[reverendjeremiah]

Wait..everyone please note that Frodo has specifically said:

I still hold that it's the females choice. She may not think, as I do, that life begins at conception, and she wouldn't have the difficulties I have.

Please take this into consideration before you reply back to Frodo. He is all for their right to choose.

[The Grand Nudger]

Of course he is. She has the option to choose to be a murderer. He doesn't have to punish her, or impede her actions in any way.......She'll get hers.......

[ElDinero]

What gives you the right to stick your nose into someone else's business?

Being a Christian, seems to often be the answer to this question.

[Napoléon]

I do not believe a fetus at 1 week is the same as a fetus at 9 months. Somewhere between is the grey area where you can't be totally sure whether you are killing something which is truly alive/aware. Personally I think abortion should be legal, however I do frown upon those who leave it too long to make up their fucking minds.

[Minimalist]

I do not believe a fetus at 1 week is the same as a fetus at 9 months.

In a practical sense there is no difference. Assume a woman gives birth alone in an isolated area. The baby is born alive but the woman develops an infection and dies. I submit that the newborn has as much long-term survival opportunity as the 1 week old fetus. IOW, none.

These fine xtians are still using child birth and rearing to oppress women. It's written all through their holy horseshit: STFU woman and be a baby making machine!

[fr0d0]

@ Rhythm

I am not appealing to my beliefs whatsoever, so I don't know why you bring that up. The parasitical relationship applies to a lot of human dependancies... I still don't understand how you can reason justly ending a persons life on it.

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I believe it is a 'person' from conception.

So what?

The end result of your argument is that you are sentencing any woman who is unlucky during sex to a minimum of 18 years hard labor raising this "person" to adulthood. And, if she fails to do an acceptable job and the kid dies there are people who will want her thrown in jail for failing at a job which, if it weren't for sanctimonious twats insisting she have the kid in the first place, she knew from the beginning she was not ready to handle.

If its own mother does not want it where is my interest? There is a simple solution to the problem which does not impact you in any way. What gives you the right to stick your nose into someone else's business?

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How am I 'sentancing' anyone? I'm not saying that this should be law. Just my understanding of the issue. Am I not allowed an opinion?

Granted. I didn't mean to be provocative, and I apologise for that mistake. I believe it is a 'person' from conception.

That's my biggest problem right there. This age old debate is really not about the life itself, it's really about religion. Basically it's the, "when does god issue a person his or her soul?" argument. Conception? After all if your zygote dies, aren't you going to want to go see it in heaven?? It's the same old fear of death bull shit that gave us the slavery of heaven and the eternal damnation of hell!

Is that a religious argument? I thought it was a scientific one. The scientific understanding is certainly all I base my opinion on.

Is there not 'the essence of life' in semen? Gimme a break.

There is the potential for a person, but not a person.

My take on the whole thing... I personally would probably never want to see my child aborted, but let a woman (or couple) do what they want and leave her the fuck alone!

I don't disagree with any of that.

I do not believe a fetus at 1 week is the same as a fetus at 9 months. Somewhere between is the grey area where you can't be totally sure whether you are killing something which is truly alive/aware.

That's the ethical argument for the humane killing of animals.

[Violet]

Then there's the people (like me) who don't reserve the title of 'person' for humankind alone.

And we cannot help but smile at ludicrousness of 'killing a person is wrong' and taking your family to some local McDonalds

[Phaedra]

Then there's the people (like me) who don't reserve the title of 'person' for humankind alone.

And we cannot help but smile at ludicrousness of 'killing a person is wrong' and taking your family to some local McDonalds

You too, eh?