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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 7:38 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 7:32 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: We are talking about people and people can not believe a god exists and not believe a god exists simultaneously, people do not function that way so I don't know what you are babbling about.
I'm sorry that you keep repeating your assertion with no reason or argument.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 7:49 pm
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Identity is axiomatic, what argument or reason do you expect..argument and reason both depend on it?
People are either a..or they are not-a. They cannot be a and not-a simultaneously. If a person believes in god, they cannot simultaneously not believe in god. If a person does not believe in god, they cannot simultaneously believe in god. If a person thinks they know something, they cannot simultaneously think that they do not know that something. If a person thinks that they do not, they cannot simultaneously think that they do.
Agnostics happen to think that they don't know something. There are plenty of agnostics here for you to confirm that people do function like that. You could ask them.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 7:50 pm
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(February 17, 2020 at 7:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 7:32 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: We are talking about people and people can not believe a god exists and not believe a god exists simultaneously, people do not function that way so I don't know what you are babbling about.
I'm sorry that you keep repeating your assertion with no reason or argument.
No, belief in god is binary, you are either convinced a god exists or you are not convinced a god exists, you cannot be convinced and unconvinced at the same time.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 7:52 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 7:50 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 7:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote: I'm sorry that you keep repeating your assertion with no reason or argument.
No, belief in god is binary, you are either convinced a god exists or you are not convinced a god exists, you cannot be convinced and unconvinced at the same time.
Assertion without argument or evidence.
I think it's great that you're so vehement in a belief that's based on a mental image of how the mind works, entirely unbothered by the evidence of biology. You prove my point for me.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 7:54 pm
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Do you believe in god, Bel? If so, do you simultaneously not believe in god?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 8:13 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 7:52 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 7:50 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: No, belief in god is binary, you are either convinced a god exists or you are not convinced a god exists, you cannot be convinced and unconvinced at the same time.
Assertion without argument or evidence.
I think it's great that you're so vehement in a belief that's based on a mental image of how the mind works, entirely unbothered by the evidence of biology. You prove my point for me.
I'm not sure what biological evidence you are looking for? We are talking about logic here.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm
(February 17, 2020 at 8:13 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 7:52 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Assertion without argument or evidence.
I think it's great that you're so vehement in a belief that's based on a mental image of how the mind works, entirely unbothered by the evidence of biology. You prove my point for me.
I'm not sure what biological evidence you are looking for? We are talking about logic here.
I'm talking about how the human mind works. It isn't a logic-robot.
It looks as though you didn't read what I wrote before.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 8:42 pm
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(February 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 8:13 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I'm not sure what biological evidence you are looking for? We are talking about logic here.
I'm talking about how the human mind works. It isn't a logic-robot.
It looks as though you didn't read what I wrote before.
I did read what you wrote but its a bunch of nonsense, people use logic all the time without thinking about it, its the foundation of rational thought. The law of noncontradiction is a rule of logic that human minds use constantly, "A" cannot be true and not true at the same time, this is basic stuff.
(February 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (February 17, 2020 at 8:13 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I'm not sure what biological evidence you are looking for? We are talking about logic here.
I'm talking about how the human mind works. It isn't a logic-robot.
It looks as though you didn't read what I wrote before.
By the way Bae Golga asked you a question, you should answer it, maybe he can clear this up for you.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 8:51 pm
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(February 17, 2020 at 8:42 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: I did read what you wrote but its a bunch of nonsense, people use logic all the time without thinking about it, its the foundation of rational thought. The law of noncontradiction is a rule of logic that human minds use constantly, "A" cannot be true and not true at the same time, this is basic stuff.
You're still making assertions. You're not responding to the arguments I made.
It looks as though you don't use logic much at all.
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RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 17, 2020 at 8:54 pm
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Just a moment ago you were poo pooing logic, because that's not how people function. Pick a lane. If you want logic, you're going to get identity.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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