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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 12:09 am
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(March 13, 2020 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote: (March 13, 2020 at 2:18 pm)Jehanne Wrote: What do you think the earliest sources are of the New Testament? Please be specific. In fact, just name a single source or document.
Lets put some of these other subject to bed first. you are spanning 3 different Manuscript subjects.
1You made the assertion that the papyri were the only manuscripts of the NT
Is this true yes or no and do you understand now that the papyri are not the only form of hand written manuscript?
2 the subject matter of the usage and age was open ignoring your first mistake. We need to close the matter of your first mistake before we go in to the second and now this third
3 the third being is you are now asking for source material of the NT..
Again you clearly do not have an understand of this material either otherwise the question would be different. here you assume one complete source.
not the case the NT has several sources. these sources are called codices. they are a collection of manuscripts from across the spectrum of avaible manuscripts. Some are selected for age others clarity other still preuvenuance. there are several different codacees based on which translation IE which NT version you are reading from.
If you want to discuss this new subject put the first 2 to bed be conceding where you were misinformed.
Let's start over, okay? (If, of course, such is even possible with you.) If you do not want to give your views on the earliest sources of the New Testament, well, that's fine. I do not really have any more to say to you if that is the case. Paper was, of course, invented in China, but medieval Europe used, for the most part, parchment. The New Testament was written, originally, in Greek, all of it; Jesus and his followers, of course, spoke Aramaic. Later on scribes began translating and copying the New Testament into Latin, Coptic, Syriac, etc., but, the modern reconstruction of the New Testament that modern scholars all use is based upon the original Greek manuscripts, not, of course, of the original New Testament documents (none of which exist), but the 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Greek manuscripts.
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 6:01 am
(March 14, 2020 at 12:09 am)Jehanne Wrote: (March 13, 2020 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote: Lets put some of these other subject to bed first. you are spanning 3 different Manuscript subjects.
1You made the assertion that the papyri were the only manuscripts of the NT
Is this true yes or no and do you understand now that the papyri are not the only form of hand written manuscript?
2 the subject matter of the usage and age was open ignoring your first mistake. We need to close the matter of your first mistake before we go in to the second and now this third
3 the third being is you are now asking for source material of the NT..
Again you clearly do not have an understand of this material either otherwise the question would be different. here you assume one complete source.
not the case the NT has several sources. these sources are called codices. they are a collection of manuscripts from across the spectrum of avaible manuscripts. Some are selected for age others clarity other still preuvenuance. there are several different codacees based on which translation IE which NT version you are reading from.
If you want to discuss this new subject put the first 2 to bed be conceding where you were misinformed.
Let's start over, okay? (If, of course, such is even possible with you.) If you do not want to give your views on the earliest sources of the New Testament, well, that's fine. I do not really have any more to say to you if that is the case. Paper was, of course, invented in China, but medieval Europe used, for the most part, parchment. The New Testament was written, originally, in Greek, all of it; Jesus and his followers, of course, spoke Aramaic. Later on scribes began translating and copying the New Testament into Latin, Coptic, Syriac, etc., but, the modern reconstruction of the New Testament that modern scholars all use is based upon the original Greek manuscripts, not, of course, of the original New Testament documents (none of which exist), but the 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Greek manuscripts.
Good luck to you, Jehanne. I've had almost this exact convo with Drich before. He doesn't understand (or refuses to accept) the difference between a complete NT manuscript and a manuscript fragment the size of a sticky note that contains 11 words of text.
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 9:13 am
(March 14, 2020 at 6:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: (March 14, 2020 at 12:09 am)Jehanne Wrote: Let's start over, okay? (If, of course, such is even possible with you.) If you do not want to give your views on the earliest sources of the New Testament, well, that's fine. I do not really have any more to say to you if that is the case. Paper was, of course, invented in China, but medieval Europe used, for the most part, parchment. The New Testament was written, originally, in Greek, all of it; Jesus and his followers, of course, spoke Aramaic. Later on scribes began translating and copying the New Testament into Latin, Coptic, Syriac, etc., but, the modern reconstruction of the New Testament that modern scholars all use is based upon the original Greek manuscripts, not, of course, of the original New Testament documents (none of which exist), but the 2nd, 3rd and 4th century Greek manuscripts.
Good luck to you, Jehanne. I've had almost this exact convo with Drich before. He doesn't understand (or refuses to accept) the difference between a complete NT manuscript and a manuscript fragment the size of a sticky note that contains 11 words of text.
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And, it's right here:
Wikipedia -- Biblical manuscript
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 10:47 am
(February 19, 2020 at 3:42 pm)Drich Wrote: if you don't watch the video please do comment. you are not as smart as you think you are and it will be immediately clear to me who has and has not watch the video.
I never watch any such video, if I can help it.
We are in a forum here, not in a cinema.
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 4:50 pm
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if you don't watch the video please do comment. you are not as smart as you think you are and it will be immediately clear to me who has and has not watch the video.
He's your problem now we got fed up of his spamming this shit on AD.
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 4:56 pm
(March 14, 2020 at 4:50 pm)adey67 Wrote: (March 14, 2020 at 10:47 am)Dundee Wrote: (February 19, 2020 at 3:42 pm)Drich Wrote: if you don't watch the video please do comment. you are not as smart as you think you are and it will be immediately clear to me who has and has not watch the video.
He's your problem now we got fed up of his spamming this shit on AD. We were already informed that he was 86ed over there. Old news.
I have him on ignore because there's only so much stupid I can tolerate. Reading a post from Dripshit puts me over my daily limit.
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 5:31 pm
(March 14, 2020 at 4:56 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: We were already informed that he was 86ed over there. Old news.
I have him on ignore because there's only so much stupid I can tolerate. Reading a post from Dripshit puts me over my daily limit.
Out of curiosity, I wandered over to AD for a browse.
Holy shit, Drich is nuttier over there than he is here.
Not at all surprised he bought a ban. Outright spammage and proselytising which are both against their MA.
Personally, I wouldn't ban him. When discussing insanity peppers, it is convenient to have a live sample from the wild.
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 14, 2020 at 10:51 pm
(March 14, 2020 at 5:31 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (March 14, 2020 at 4:56 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: We were already informed that he was 86ed over there. Old news.
I have him on ignore because there's only so much stupid I can tolerate. Reading a post from Dripshit puts me over my daily limit.
Out of curiosity, I wandered over to AD for a browse.
Holy shit, Drich is nuttier over there than he is here.
Not at all surprised he bought a ban. Outright spammage and proselytising which are both against their MA.
Personally, I wouldn't ban him. When discussing insanity peppers, it is convenient to have a live sample from the wild.
What's AD?
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 15, 2020 at 11:30 am
(March 14, 2020 at 10:51 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (March 14, 2020 at 5:31 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Out of curiosity, I wandered over to AD for a browse.
Holy shit, Drich is nuttier over there than he is here.
Not at all surprised he bought a ban. Outright spammage and proselytising which are both against their MA.
Personally, I wouldn't ban him. When discussing insanity peppers, it is convenient to have a live sample from the wild.
What's AD? Atheist Discussions forum.
Have a read of any of Drich's threads there.
http://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/show...p?tid=4888
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RE: which version of christianity is correct?
March 15, 2020 at 10:49 pm
(March 15, 2020 at 11:30 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (March 14, 2020 at 10:51 pm)Jehanne Wrote: What's AD? Atheist Discussions forum.
Have a read of any of Drich's threads there.
http://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/show...p?tid=4888
No, was not even aware of that forum. But, thanks. Drich has too much time on his hands.
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