One clear, precise prophecy of Muhammad.. among many

[The Architect Of Fate]

I think you can easily find the most common definition of the plague, in particular, it's caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. Clearly, cholera doesn't match the definition

Lol so your position is even lamer . Mo said one city wouldn't get one dieses and that's suppose to be a prophecy . 

Oh and there is another problem 

A plague is a very infectious disease that spreads quickly and kills large numbers of people
A cholera plague had been killing many prisoners of war at the time. 

Plague or the plague is a very infectious disease which usually results in death. The patient has a severe fever and swellings on his or her body.
...a fresh outbreak of plague. 
...illnesses such as smallpox, typhus and the plague. 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictio...ish/plague

COUNTABLE any serious disease that spreads quickly to a lot of people and usually ends in death
a plague of cholera

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dict...h/plague_1

And let me get this straight he saved the city for one disease but let all the others in lol

[onlinebiker]

Like the short dicked  goathearding twats who wrote that tripe would know the difference.

They actually do, pal. Our ancestors did associate plagues to fever, diarrhea, seizures.. in contrast with coughs, sore throats, etc.

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Argumentum ad populum, nothing about precision there. Just lack of independent thought.

Why did you expect a formal argument when I didn't pretend there is one myself ? You asked that Muslims don't know what Muhammad precisely said, I answered if it were the case, you wouldn't find that many people praying the exact same way.

I guess with the whackaloon shit you believe - revisionist history comes easy for you...

But you are the only one here believing that crap.

[possibletarian]

The thing about prophecies is that surely they would use language that people living in the time they were fulfilled would understand, surely a god could inspire such things ?

For instance if it was meant to portray skyscrapers why not ''magnificent buildings ~that reached high in the sky''

Of what use is such vagueness to anyone ?

[brewer]

Argumentum ad populum, nothing about precision there. Just lack of independent thought.

Why did you expect a formal argument when I didn't pretend there is one myself ? You asked that Muslims don't know what Muhammad precisely said, I answered if it were the case, you wouldn't find that many people praying the exact same way.

All that indicates is programming/indoctrimation, usually begun in childhood. You find it outside islam also. What else ya got?

[onlinebiker]

The thing about prophecies is that surely they would use language that people living in the time they were fulfilled would understand, surely a god could inspire such things ?

Of what use is such vagueness to anyone ?

It's of use to the prophet.

Like politicians - the prophet never gets specific - because you can be held to specifics.

If you say "the world ends October 16th" and it doesn't you are recognized as the charlatan you are.

If you say "the world ends soon" - you have infinite wiggle room.

[R00tKiT]

I think you can easily find the most common definition of the plague, in particular, it's caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. Clearly, cholera doesn't match the definition

Lol so your position is even lamer . Mo said one city wouldn't get one dieses and that's suppose to be a prophecy . 

It is a prophecy. And whether you like it or not, he got it right, together with that of Arab States competing to build taller and taller skyscrapers, and there are dozens of other prophecies that did came true.

Oh and there is another problem 

A plague is a very infectious disease that spreads quickly and kills large numbers of people
A cholera plague had been killing many prisoners of war at the time. 

Plague or the plague is a very infectious disease which usually results in death. The patient has a severe fever and swellings on his or her body.
...a fresh outbreak of plague. 
...illnesses such as smallpox, typhus and the plague. 

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictio...ish/plague

COUNTABLE any serious disease that spreads quickly to a lot of people and usually ends in death
a plague of cholera

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dict...h/plague_1

The plague with the definite article is a specific disease. Stop trying to render the word too vague, dictionaries won't help you here.

I guess with the whackaloon shit you believe - revisionist history comes easy for you...

But you are the only one here believing that crap.

Don't you have any other constructive answer than this crap? The plague disease was described as early as 500 BC since it was mentioned in the First book of Samuel
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1199652/

[The Architect Of Fate]

It is a prophecy. And whether you like it or not, he got it right, together with that of Arab States competing to build taller and taller skyscrapers, and there are dozens of other prophecies that did came true.

Nope and we already went over your other vague prophecy .Nothing to see here 

Don't you have any other constructive answer than this crap? The plague disease was described as early as 500 BC since it was mentioned in the First book of Samuel

And none of that refutes the definitions above or this one . Just because you prefer one definition means nothing .

countable] any disease that spreads quickly and kills a lot of people
SYNONYM 

• the plague of AIDS
  

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.c...h/plague_1

plague(Noun)

An epidemic or pandemic caused by any pestilence, but specifically by the above disease.

https://www.definitions.net/definition/plague

The plague with the definite article is a specific disease. Stop trying to render the word too vague, dictionaries won't help you here.

Huh the thing we use to define words is useless at defining words because you don't like the definition being broader then the convenient definition you need to make Mo right 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Oh and there is this 


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/p...180974735/


Hmm

I think you can easily find the most common definition of the plague, in particular, it's caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. Clearly, cholera doesn't match the definition.

Yeah, no other religion does that.   

Boru

Christianity doesn't do that, for a start. They don't have any reliable text of what Jesus said, or did.

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What's so funny, pal.? Plague has a specific definition, and it's caused by a specific kind of bacteria. Therefore viral pandemics really can't be called plagues.

I think I understand how this works. For some prophecies, like the big building one, it is vital to redefine the Prophet’s words to mean as many different things as needed to make the prophecy work. For other prophecies, like the plague one, we can only use the specific, modern definition of the words, because that makes the prophecy work.

Clearly, Muhammad knew all about the differences between viral diseases and bacterial ones.

Nice work, rebbe.

Boru

[Brian37]

The thing about prophecies is that surely they would use language that people living in the time they were fulfilled would understand, surely a god could inspire such things ?

For instance if it was meant to portray skyscrapers why not ''magnificent buildings  ~that reached high in the sky''

Of what use is such vagueness to anyone ?

There is no such thing as "prophecy" of any kind of any religion.

It works backwards, just like seeing shapes in the clouds. If you want to take ambiguous language after the fact and retrofit it to suit a current event you will. 

I may have mentioned it in this same thread already, but even in the polytheism of ancient Egypt, Rome, and Greece, they had people back then claiming to see into the past and future. It is all simply pulling shit out of your ass and seeing what you want to see.

Real predictions are made through science, not superstition. 

When a theist/conspiracy theorist calimes "The end times will come", they are basing it on superstition.

When scientists say, "Life will end on our planet", they are basing that on scientific observations about the history of our planet, mass extinction events, the age of our planet, but especially our sun, which will expand and fry our planet billions of years from now.

[R00tKiT]

it is vital to redefine the Prophet’s words to mean as many different things as needed to make the prophecy work.

Redefine ? Every variant I gave is quoted from renowned collections of authentic hadiths. Authentic. Many variants help understand the full meaning, they don't really change it.

For other prophecies, like the plague one, we can only use the specific, modern definition of the words, because that makes the prophecy work.

The plague even in its specific sense is not modern, it's alluded to in the OT.