One clear, precise prophecy of Muhammad.. among many

[The Architect Of Fate]

[onlinebiker]

Like the short dicked  goathearding twats who wrote that tripe would know the difference.

They actually do, pal. Our ancestors did associate plagues to fever, diarrhea, seizures.. in contrast with coughs, sore throats, etc.

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Argumentum ad populum, nothing about precision there. Just lack of independent thought.

Why did you expect a formal argument when I didn't pretend there is one myself ? You asked that Muslims don't know what Muhammad precisely said, I answered if it were the case, you wouldn't find that many people praying the exact same way.

I guess with the whackaloon shit you believe - revisionist history comes easy for you...

But you are the only one here believing that crap.

[possibletarian]

The thing about prophecies is that surely they would use language that people living in the time they were fulfilled would understand, surely a god could inspire such things ?

For instance if it was meant to portray skyscrapers why not ''magnificent buildings ~that reached high in the sky''

Of what use is such vagueness to anyone ?

[brewer]

Argumentum ad populum, nothing about precision there. Just lack of independent thought.

Why did you expect a formal argument when I didn't pretend there is one myself ? You asked that Muslims don't know what Muhammad precisely said, I answered if it were the case, you wouldn't find that many people praying the exact same way.

All that indicates is programming/indoctrimation, usually begun in childhood. You find it outside islam also. What else ya got?

[onlinebiker]

The thing about prophecies is that surely they would use language that people living in the time they were fulfilled would understand, surely a god could inspire such things ?

Of what use is such vagueness to anyone ?

It's of use to the prophet.

Like politicians - the prophet never gets specific - because you can be held to specifics.

If you say "the world ends October 16th" and it doesn't you are recognized as the charlatan you are.

If you say "the world ends soon" - you have infinite wiggle room.

[R00tKiT]

[The Architect Of Fate]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

[Jackie]

The thing about prophecies is that surely they would use language that people living in the time they were fulfilled would understand, surely a god could inspire such things ?

For instance if it was meant to portray skyscrapers why not ''magnificent buildings  ~that reached high in the sky''

Of what use is such vagueness to anyone ?

There is no such thing as "prophecy" of any kind of any religion.

It works backwards, just like seeing shapes in the clouds. If you want to take ambiguous language after the fact and retrofit it to suit a current event you will. 

I may have mentioned it in this same thread already, but even in the polytheism of ancient Egypt, Rome, and Greece, they had people back then claiming to see into the past and future. It is all simply pulling shit out of your ass and seeing what you want to see.

Real predictions are made through science, not superstition. 

When a theist/conspiracy theorist calimes "The end times will come", they are basing it on superstition.

When scientists say, "Life will end on our planet", they are basing that on scientific observations about the history of our planet, mass extinction events, the age of our planet, but especially our sun, which will expand and fry our planet billions of years from now.

[R00tKiT]

it is vital to redefine the Prophet’s words to mean as many different things as needed to make the prophecy work.

Redefine ? Every variant I gave is quoted from renowned collections of authentic hadiths. Authentic. Many variants help understand the full meaning, they don't really change it.

For other prophecies, like the plague one, we can only use the specific, modern definition of the words, because that makes the prophecy work.

The plague even in its specific sense is not modern, it's alluded to in the OT.