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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 4:45 pm
(September 10, 2020 at 9:49 am)Eleven Wrote: It's why every time something dramatic happens like a natural disaster or a school shooting, theists get all hyped up and start making end-of-days predictions. It's just dumb, because even the bible states that everyone will be completely in the dark concerning his return. Which, if you think about it, is in direct contradiction to Revelations.
There is no book of the Bible called "Revelations." When someone calls it that it's clear they don't know what they're talking about, whether they're Christian or atheist.
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" is not from the Revelation of John. It's from Matthew.
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 7:43 pm
(September 14, 2020 at 4:45 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (September 10, 2020 at 9:49 am)Eleven Wrote: It's why every time something dramatic happens like a natural disaster or a school shooting, theists get all hyped up and start making end-of-days predictions. It's just dumb, because even the bible states that everyone will be completely in the dark concerning his return. Which, if you think about it, is in direct contradiction to Revelations.
There is no book of the Bible called "Revelations." When someone calls it that it's clear they don't know what they're talking about, whether they're Christian or atheist.
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" is not from the Revelation of John. It's from Matthew.
I googled "book of the Bible called "Revelations."", guess what came up? For pages.
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 8:15 pm
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It's not as if it's a linguistic tick informed by disparate titling in magic book down through the centuries, common to entire denominations of christians...or anything. No...no no no, it's a relevant and meaningful mistake. Only uninformed shitwits needlessly use the plural........
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 8:23 pm
(September 14, 2020 at 4:45 pm)Belacqua Wrote: There is no book of the Bible called "Revelations." When someone calls it that it's clear they don't know what they're talking about, whether they're Christian or atheist.
Wrong! To wit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation
Catholics call it The Apocalypse.
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 8:42 pm
(August 17, 2020 at 3:59 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Do they imagine that some child will be born (or some guy will show up) who will do miracles like turning water into wine, walk on water, turn clay pigeons into real ones, and then people like the Pope, Joel Osteen, and Mike Pence will authenticate he is Jesus and Christians will worship him?
Or do they imagine that one day they will hear horns from the sky, and then giant Jesus will show up in the sky and destroy unbelievers in him with a laser from his eyes?
Or maybe some other way? I know there is that series of novels called “Left Behind” where Christians suddenly disappear, but then it goes on and on—doesn’t seem very coherent, and does Jesus even show up there?
I imagine the first time he caught sight of some ankle.
The second time he may have seen a boob.
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 9:31 pm
How atheists "imagine" rapture
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 10:03 pm
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(September 14, 2020 at 8:23 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: (September 14, 2020 at 4:45 pm)Belacqua Wrote: There is no book of the Bible called "Revelations." When someone calls it that it's clear they don't know what they're talking about, whether they're Christian or atheist.
Wrong! To wit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation
Catholics call it The Apocalypse.
From the link you supplied:
Quote:The Book of Revelation (often called the Revelation to John, Apocalypse of John, the Revelation from Jesus Christ from its opening words, the Apocalypse, The Revelation, or simply Revelation) is the final book of the New Testament, and consequently is also the final book of the Christian Bible. Its title is derived from the first word of the Koine Greek text: apokalypsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation" (before title pages and titles, books were commonly known by their incipit (first words)). The Book of Revelation is the only apocalyptic document in the New Testament canon (although there are short apocalyptic passages in various places in the Gospels and the Epistles, and an extended apocalyptic passage in the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament).[a] Thus, it occupies a central place in Christian eschatology.
Note that nowhere does it say that the book is called "Revelations."
Your link shows that I'm right.
Both Protestants and Catholics can call the book either "The Revelation of John," or "The Apocalypse of John," since "apocalypse" means "revelation" in Greek.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/books...agels.html
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 14, 2020 at 10:12 pm
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You're ridiculous. People call the book of revelation the book of revelations for the same reason they call coke coke soda, and pop. The reason that some people call non coke products...cokes.
The vast majority of people who call the book of revelation the book of revelations are christians, and they don't do it because they're spiritually or scripturally uninformed, they do it because they have a dialect. How that managed to escape your vast and thorough expertise, is a mystery.
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 15, 2020 at 7:03 am
(September 14, 2020 at 10:03 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (September 14, 2020 at 8:23 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: Wrong! To wit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation
Catholics call it The Apocalypse.
From the link you supplied:
Quote:The Book of Revelation (often called the Revelation to John, Apocalypse of John, the Revelation from Jesus Christ from its opening words, the Apocalypse, The Revelation, or simply Revelation) is the final book of the New Testament, and consequently is also the final book of the Christian Bible. Its title is derived from the first word of the Koine Greek text: apokalypsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation" (before title pages and titles, books were commonly known by their incipit (first words)). The Book of Revelation is the only apocalyptic document in the New Testament canon (although there are short apocalyptic passages in various places in the Gospels and the Epistles, and an extended apocalyptic passage in the Book of Daniel in the Old Testament).[a] Thus, it occupies a central place in Christian eschatology.
Note that nowhere does it say that the book is called "Revelations."
Your link shows that I'm right.
Both Protestants and Catholics can call the book either "The Revelation of John," or "The Apocalypse of John," since "apocalypse" means "revelation" in Greek.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/08/books...agels.html
Well, excuse me. I didn't realize I was dealing with a grammar nazi. 
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RE: How do Christians imagine 2nd coming of Jesus?
September 15, 2020 at 11:01 am
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