Separation of Science and State

[John 6IX Breezy]

Elaborate

[The Grand Nudger]

-a unified system of beliefs and practices relative to sacred things, i.e., things set apart and forbidden—beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them.  

[Rev. Rye]

To the OP: No.

As long as science doesn't subordinate itself to state.

[John 6IX Breezy]

beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them.

Hmm that echoes my position. That a Church is the governing branch of a religion.

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you understand how it answers the question you asked me? Religion is explicitly defined and recognized by normative content - this is why religions cannot avoid making normative statements.

[John 6IX Breezy]

I wouldn't have asked you to elaborate if I did.

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you now?

[Apollo]

There are three fundamental pillars of a society that always interplay: Knowledge, governance, and behavior. Knowledge is basically science—knowing the nature of things (time and space, and manifestations of laws of nature) and use that to survive.

Governance and behavior (collective level) too work best when they are informed by knowledge. Why? Because it allows to make optimal decisions.

Religion is a primitive form of “science”— a lot of strategic guess work based on little known facts about nature—mainly what we could experience through senses. It is no longer relevant in our world as it can no longer provide satisfactory explanation of the reality. Using it to make decisions in modern world is like using clay tablets to keep financial records.

Religion is hardly a primitive form of science.   It is a form of governance that is without knowledge but nonetheless pretend to be informed.

Religion is many things for sure—framework to define and enforce moral code (governance) etc—but first and foremost it is a discipline that makes claims—claims rooted in reality as it sees it. This is similar to making deductive inferences and forming hypothesis and theories.

Existence of god, afterlife, causal relationships between deeds and calamities etc (sins) are all hypothesis and theories that develop the basis on which religion further concocts social moral code and laws etc.

[John 6IX Breezy]

Do you now?

All you did was repeat yourself

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...it is a discipline that makes claims—claims rooted in reality as it sees it. This is similar to making deductive inferences and forming hypothesis and theories.

Religion is not a premitive form of science because it's claims tend to be established through revelation not experimentation.

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you now?

All you did was repeat yourself

So, no?  

Just to be clear, you still don't understand why a thing described as 

a set of beliefs and practices which unite in one single moral community called a Church, all those who adhere to them

.....cannot avoid making normative statements?

What sort of things do you think are established through revelation? Starts with an n, rhymes with ormative.