Enough of this crap, I want to hear directly from god

[Silver]

Theists need to shut their pie holes, because that of which they speak is not of any reality but rather a concept they imagine is real via fallible faith.

People are entirely too easily manipulated by religious concepts. History shows this, especially lately where we can show new religions being created by man and people following those religions as though it contains the truth. Christianity started the same way, and we of stronger mentalities are still in the same boat waiting for the evidence that simply isn't available.

Religious apologists are not doing anything except demonstrating to the rest of us just how ignorant they are. Once this realization sets in, debating them somewhat becomes pointless. Oh, don't get me wrong, there is the rare moment I still step in and state something, but essentially I realize they are beyond intellectual redemption.

Poor consciences, for that I weep.

[Abaddon_ire]

When the conversation starts with "Because the bible/koran/insert magic book here says...."

you already know it's a waste of time.

[Sal]

Don't hold your breath.

Most of the time it's not worth engaging with theists IRL from a religious critique perspective, and it might just prove to be a risk you're taking if you do challenge their faith in person by saying how fucking stupid it is (and it is) by citing some example of a faith-heads representative of their religion or whatever, and I speak from experience. Take that single anecdotal "evidence" for what it's worth.

I try to just be an example, instead of just saying I don't believe in any god because of x.

I find it quite funny when some poor theist sap thinks I'm a paragon of virtue of some ideal (most of the time Christian "behavior") by just being my own human self, and the absolute look of surprise when I slide in the notion that I don't believe in any version of the supernatural, including their god image. Yes, yes, I'm being a pretentious asshole just writing this, I know.

[The Valkyrie]

You called?

[The Grand Nudger]

Going an entirely different way with it...it shouldn't be too difficult for you to arrange to hear directly from a god.

There's a reason that christians like our own local drich tell people that they need to be christian before god pops in to say hi. Same reason that buddhist monks meditate. Same reason that shamans poison themselves, submit to exposure, and take mind altering substances. Communing with the divine or hidden world is the quintessential altered state. It's the type, the mold, the actual thing which exists in the world that we do experience and aggressively pursue.

[chimp3]

Theists need to shut their pie holes, because that of which they speak is not of any reality but rather a concept they imagine is real via fallible faith.

I have been to enough church potlucks to know that theists shut their pie holes  when they're chewing pie. If then.

[Prycejosh1987]

Theists need to shut their pie holes, because that of which they speak is not of any reality but rather a concept they imagine is real via fallible faith.

People are entirely too easily manipulated by religious concepts. History shows this, especially lately where we can show new religions being created by man and people following those religions as though it contains the truth. Christianity started the same way, and we of stronger mentalities are still in the same boat waiting for the evidence that simply isn't available.

Religious apologists are not doing anything except demonstrating to the rest of us just how ignorant they are. Once this realization sets in, debating them somewhat becomes pointless. Oh, don't get me wrong, there is the rare moment I still step in and state something, but essentially I realize they are beyond intellectual redemption.

Poor consciences, for that I weep.

If you heard from God would it convince you he exists? a preacher said can you see the wind. I would say that God doesnt want us to be afraid of him and submit to him out of fear. The Antichrist will come on the scene doing this, and you will believe in him. 

We have scripture, we have the land of Israel, we have morals and a persona and are more intelligent than other animals. We grow and develop and have understanding. Etc. If you want more faith in Christ, go to Israel and sight-see. Look at what God says about end times. I cannot prove to you God exists unless you tell me how you want me to prove it. Even if you did see God its wouldnt compel you to believe, not having a mind as skeptical as yours.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's just absurd. If I saw a god, I would believe that the thing I saw existed. This is how it works pretty much all of the time for all of us, and even with regards to delusions we have.

What seeing a god or even believing in a god won't do, and can't do, is make a person religious. Make them agree with the claims of any given religion or, indeed, any given god. If god came down and said "hey man, as it so happens, not all people are people" I wouldn't think, oh, well..you're a god, so I guess that's right. I'd tell it to fuck off.

How about you?

[R00tKiT]

Theists need to shut their pie holes, because that of which they speak is not of any reality but rather a concept they imagine is real via fallible faith.

Is that so ? How do you explain children's tendency to believe and give purpose to all natural phenomena around them? Usually children aren't mature enough to imagine concepts.

People are entirely too easily manipulated by religious concepts. History shows this, especially lately where we can show new religions being created by man and people following those religions as though it contains the truth.

And what makes you think you're immune to manipulation ? Why can't one consider the agnostic position as some erroneous cognitive bias and mind games designed to fit the universe to your own subconscious desires ? - namely wanting to enjoy sinful activity without cognitive dissonance.
You're free to call scientology and other crap religions, your excessively loose definition of religion is the problem, not actual religions.

Religious apologists are not doing anything except demonstrating to the rest of us just how ignorant they are.

And where are your world-class refutations of popular arguments made by apologists ? You too aren't doing anything except complain about how religious people don't do anything.

Once this realization sets in, debating them somewhat becomes pointless. Oh, don't get me wrong, there is the rare moment I still step in and state something, but essentially I realize they are beyond intellectual redemption.

Once this realization sets in, debating atheists somewhat becomes pointless. Oh, don't get me wrong, there is the rare moment I still step in and state something, but essentially I realize that atheists are beyond intellectual redemption.

Again, empty complaints.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Theists need to shut their pie holes, because that of which they speak is not of any reality but rather a concept they imagine is real via fallible faith.

People are entirely too easily manipulated by religious concepts. History shows this, especially lately where we can show new religions being created by man and people following those religions as though it contains the truth. Christianity started the same way, and we of stronger mentalities are still in the same boat waiting for the evidence that simply isn't available.

Religious apologists are not doing anything except demonstrating to the rest of us just how ignorant they are. Once this realization sets in, debating them somewhat becomes pointless. Oh, don't get me wrong, there is the rare moment I still step in and state something, but essentially I realize they are beyond intellectual redemption.

Poor consciences, for that I weep.

If you heard from God would it convince you he exists? a preacher said can you see the wind. I would say that God doesnt want us to be afraid of him and submit to him out of fear. The Antichrist will come on the scene doing this, and you will believe in him. 

We have scripture, we have the land of Israel, we have morals and a persona and are more intelligent than other animals. We grow and develop and have understanding. Etc. If you want more faith in Christ, go to Israel and sight-see. Look at what God says about end times. I cannot prove to you God exists unless you tell me how you want me to prove it. Even if you did see God its wouldnt compel you to believe, not having a mind as skeptical as yours.

I’ve been to Israel and seen the sights. It didn’t give me faith in Christ. What it did do was puzzle me that a place could manage to be so dust-dry and smell like piss at the same time.

Boru