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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 2, 2011 at 4:47 pm
All I can say is that man made gods from literature definitely don't exist, or have you lately heard that "Ra works in mysterious ways" or "Thank Odin for the earthquake in [insert city/country here], he sure got rid of those pesky [insert a certain group of people here]!"? Didn't think so. If I'm wrong, I'm betting on the deists, actually 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 2, 2011 at 7:03 pm
I'm an atheist because the whole idea of burning in hell sounds pretty appealing.
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 2, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Us Brits don't have good tans and a free holiday in hell would top the tan up, whilst getting a decent dose of vitamin (pronounced vit-ah-min, not vite-ah-min) d. The company too would be good.
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 2, 2011 at 7:15 pm
(November 2, 2011 at 7:14 pm)5thHorseman Wrote: Us Brits don't have good tans and a free holiday in hell would top the tan up, whilst getting a decent dose of vitamin (pronounced vit-ah-min, not vite-ah-min) d. The company too would be good.
I think Satan would be a good laugh, sounds like a good guy in comparison to that old twat 'GAWD'.
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 3, 2011 at 8:54 am
:Welcome:
May I ask if that is your real name or you decided to pick as your nickname, the name of a character from that excellent show Six Feet Under.
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 3, 2011 at 10:47 am
It's from Six Feet Under the best TV show ever imo, better than any film I've seen, well done.
Thanks for all of the responses.
The whole "if I see a painting I know it has a painter" thing is midly convincing to me. But it's been pointed out here that evolution beats the argument from design.
The Kalam argument I'm refering to is William Lane Craig's version. Like the design argument it had its flaws. One flaw imo is that it doesn't accept that nature could be the "first cause" of the big bang. It says it has to be God.
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 3, 2011 at 11:40 am
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Hmn, hard to tell if this painting implies a painter.
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 3, 2011 at 12:07 pm
(November 2, 2011 at 12:38 pm)NathanielFisher Wrote: Nature created humans and other animals using evolution, life on earth started with abiogenesis, that's nature creating the first life on earth, the big bang created this universe, that's nature creating the universe. So what created the big bang, where did the big bang come from? We don't know. But so far nature has probably created everything so I'm predicting nature was the cause of the big bang instead of God.. Nature has a good track record of creating. That's why I'm an agnostic-atheist. So why not strong atheism?
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 3, 2011 at 1:57 pm
(November 3, 2011 at 12:07 pm)Captain Scarlet Wrote: (November 2, 2011 at 12:38 pm)NathanielFisher Wrote: Nature created humans and other animals using evolution, life on earth started with abiogenesis, that's nature creating the first life on earth, the big bang created this universe, that's nature creating the universe. So what created the big bang, where did the big bang come from? We don't know. But so far nature has probably created everything so I'm predicting nature was the cause of the big bang instead of God.. Nature has a good track record of creating. That's why I'm an agnostic-atheist. So why not strong atheism?
I've never understood strong atheism. Why would I be able to say I'm a strong atheist based on the above? At the moment I just lean lightly towards atheism.
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RE: Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.
November 3, 2011 at 2:16 pm
(November 3, 2011 at 10:47 am)NathanielFisher Wrote: The whole "if I see a painting I know it has a painter" thing is midly convincing to me.
That argument is convincing as long as we're talking about paintings. When it comes to nature, though, it's not very convincing. It's just the old "everything has to have a creator" argument, which for some reason doesn't apply to God. If God could have always existed, the universe could have always existed, with or without God. To say that it couldn't is just special pleading.
Quote:The Kalam argument I'm refering to is William Lane Craig's version. Like the design argument it had its flaws. One flaw imo is that it doesn't accept that nature could be the "first cause" of the big bang. It says it has to be God.
First you have to prove that God exists, and then you have to prove why the big bang couldn't have occurred without God. Since we don't know what caused the big bang, we can't say one way or another that a god was needed to make it happen. But since invoking a god is just another way of saying it magically happened, it's not scientific nor does it add to human knowledge.
At any rate, as I pointed out earlier, even if you could prove that the entire universe was designed by a higher intelligence, it doesn't prove that Christianity is the right religion to follow. It may be support for the Deist position, but there's no logical way to get from "the universe was created" to "worship Jesus or burn in hell forever."
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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