Why I'm an agnostic-atheist.

[Captain Scarlet]

Even the atheistic scientist community have come to the conclusion that God was right in Genesis one where it is stated: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

did they, right.

The universe had a beginning. Do atheist argue that fact?

Some do, some don't. I do argue it. As the concept of a beginning in the absence of time (which came into existence at the big bang), suggest the boundary conditions would have been eternally in place, until quantum fluctuations would have bootstrapped a universe. The big bang only goes as far back as Planck time and we really do not know what the universe looked like 'before' that point (if the term before applies at all). Refer to the Hartle Hawking conjecture and the wave function of the universe, for the relevant models. Or you could say godidit if you want, but then you need to sketch out how godoneit, and you can't and as such it is totally meaningless with no explanatory power esp as it creates a bigger mystery wrt gods origins and subsequent playing of hide and seek for 14.7 bn years.

Their leaders no longer do.

what leaders?

The question than stands, where did it come from? That right there is ground zero.
One of two possible answers.

why does something exist rather than nothing heh? Let me ask you bud what would nothing existing look like exactly? There has to be something, absloutely nothing has never been recorded throughout reality. The quantum vacuum is a seething mass of potentiality and is not and can never be nothing. So did the universe come from nothing? Who knows probably sort of as much as we can understand these concepts given current maths and physics. Did it come from the incantation of a magic sky man, nah probably not. But if it makes you feel better hang onto it.

Sorry people , but I can not explain it any other way. God did it, or it did itself. I am betting my soul on God. I do not believe in aliens, but I do believe in seducing demonic spirits. I know who they are and where they come from. And they are not fallen angels. But that is another story for another time. Trool on brother. :wink shades:

Thats because you are incredulous. You can bet on your soul if you like, but don't expect a return on your investment. Now you're getting a bit weird with demon talk so I'll take my leave. Happy reading.
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[justthetruth]

Hehehe, he's trolling us or trolling god.

Yep tbh you would have thought if god did exist he'd kinda want atheists up there with him wouldn't you. Fancy an eternity with GC, SW and this character. No wonder he was pissed in the O T if he had a load of bronze aged folks ending up in heaven like that. Almost feel sorry for that great big invisible, disembodied mind in errr the sky/heaven/err imaginary place.

Come on Cap. If you are up there you will not be an atheist. God never said in the scriptures he was not willing to forgive any sinner. He forgave me and I was one of the worse that was out there. I was a scumbag that found grace in his eyes. It was the best day of my life when I purposed in my heart to seek him out. I have no problem believing that his Son Jesus (Yeshua) died on a cross for me and that there is a place beyond my human imagination waiting for me when my time is up. He cleaned up my drug infested, booze saturated, fornicating lifestyle. I went to seek him and he found me. We all need his help and when we search him out he will make himself known to us. I had a cancerous tumor removed from my leg the size of a small banana. I received radiation treatment for it following the operation. I told God that I was going to put my faith in him to heal me and I never went back to the doctor after that promise. That was 23 years ago and I am still here and in good health. So you see my faith made me whole. People can believe what they want; I know he has taken care of me. My heart can never be changed.

[Captain Scarlet]

Come on Cap. If you are up there you will not be an atheist. God never said in the scriptures he was not willing to forgive any sinner. He forgave me and I was one of the worse that was out there. I was a scumbag that found grace in his eyes. It was the best day of my life when I purposed in my heart to seek him out. I have no problem believing that his Son Jesus (Yeshua) died on a cross for me and that there is a place beyond my human imagination waiting for me when my time is up. He cleaned up my drug infested, booze saturated, fornicating lifestyle. I went to seek him and he found me. We all need his help and when we search him out he will make himself known to us. I had a cancerous tumor removed from my leg the size of a small banana. I received radiation treatment for it following the operation. I told God that I was going to put my faith in him to heal me and I never went back to the doctor after that promise. That was 23 years ago and I am still here and in good health. So you see my faith made me whole. People can believe what they want; I know he has taken care of me. My heart can never be changed.

Whatever helps you brother. 2 things don't use that as a vehicle for replicating or spreading ignorant views, consider that natural explanations are available for all you have said and that they are superior to unproven, unevidenced, untestable unverifiable claims of gods.

[The Grand Nudger]

But that, is a story for another time.......

Did you narrate Conan the Barbarian by any chance?

[justthetruth]

Even the atheistic scientist community have come to the conclusion that God was right in Genesis one where it is stated: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

did they, right.

The universe had a beginning. Do atheist argue that fact?

Some do, some don't. I do argue it. As the concept of a beginning in the absence of time (which came into existence at the big bang), suggest the boundary conditions would have been eternally in place, until quantum fluctuations would have bootstrapped a universe. The big bang only goes as far back as Planck time and we really do not know what the universe looked like 'before' that point (if the term before applies at all). Refer to the Hartle Hawking conjecture and the wave function of the universe, for the relevant models. Or you could say godidit if you want, but then you need to sketch out how godoneit, and you can't and as such it is totally meaningless with no explanatory power esp as it creates a bigger mystery wrt gods origins and subsequent playing of hide and seek for 14.7 bn years.

Their leaders no longer do.

what leaders?

The question than stands, where did it come from? That right there is ground zero.
One of two possible answers.

why does something exist rather than nothing heh? Let me ask you bud what would nothing existing look like exactly? There has to be something, absloutely nothing has never been recorded throughout reality. The quantum vacuum is a seething mass of potentiality and is not and can never be nothing. So did the universe come from nothing? Who knows probably sort of as much as we can understand these concepts given current maths and physics. Did it come from the incantation of a magic sky man, nah probably not. But if it makes you feel better hang onto it.

Sorry people , but I can not explain it any other way. God did it, or it did itself. I am betting my soul on God. I do not believe in aliens, but I do believe in seducing demonic spirits. I know who they are and where they come from. And they are not fallen angels. But that is another story for another time. Trool on brother. :wink shades:

Thats because you are incredulous. You can bet on your soul if you like, but don't expect a return on your investment. Now you're getting a bit weird with demon talk so I'll take my leave. Happy reading.

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Captain please don't leave. I perceive that you are an above average person of intelligence. I agree with the age of the universe you have mentioned. I love the study of the universe and all of the discoveries that have been made over the decades as the universe has opened itself up to the eyes of mankind. The Bible says the "heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament showeth his handy work." I believe that time and the expanse of the universe work in concert. As far as God is concerned in the matter, it is irrelevant. God dwells in another dimension or state of reality. God dwells in timeless eternity. The universe itself is but a tiny bubble floating in this vast sea of timelessness. God created the universe and man for a special purpose. I know why he did it, and I know why he is almost finish with that plan. This all comes from a deep study of scripture and the insight of the Holy Spirit.

God has been successful in that he has gathered together a remnant that will join him in the realm of timeless eternity once he removes the universe from existence. The Bible also says it is impossible to please god without faith. I have a little faith and the faith is counted to me for righteousness. Time of which the universe is governed is running out on mankind. Our world is on the brink of financial collapse. It is just a matter of time before it all comes crashing down on us all. It will not take much for it to happen. God has his finger on the button. If you don't think so keep watching.

[The Grand Nudger]

[thesummerqueen]

What is going on in here?

[Doubting Thomas]

This has got to be a troll. As many logical fallacies as possible, and then the old "I was a totally immoral, evil sinner who slept around & did drugs until I found Jesus!" story. So, either a troll or typical born-again Christian, I can't tell any more.

Well D Thomas I believe it takes more faith to not believe in God than it takes to believe in him.

And you would be wrong. But if it makes you happy, then go for it. But read again what you are saying. You're basically saying that faith is a bad thing, yet that's all religious people really have.

With all of our scientific knowledge today we can construct skyscrapers, satellites, space probes, cell phones, beautiful homes, vehicles, etc, but we can not create on living cell from scratch.

And if we could, all you fundie Christians would be running around protesting it because the scientists would be "playing God." Just look at the uproar over cloning.

I have nothing to loose by doing so, and everything to gain.

Pascal's Wager. Ever think that I can't just make myself believe something which has every appearance of being false?

Over 95% of the people who claim to be Christians really are not.

If they believe that God exists and Jesus was the living son of God, then yes, they are Christians whether you like it or not. You don't get to choose who is or who isn't based on your narrow idea.

Our scientist have sent space probes to the moon, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and its many moons in hopes of finding one microbe of life. So far they have found nothing.

Yet. "They haven't found life elsewhere" doesn't mean "it's impossible to find life elsewhere." In case you haven't noticed, it's a big fucking universe out there.

One of two possible answers.

1) It created itself out of nothingness, or
2) just like God said in the Bible, he did it by the power of his Word.

False dilemma. You must know everything about the entire universe then, if you're claiming that these are the only two possible explanations.

I am betting my soul on God.

Good for you. Do whatever makes you happy. I'm betting that there is no such thing as a soul, and so far science agrees with me. Even if it did exist, how could it possibly feel pain when it's immaterial? So the idea of eternal punishment is ludicrous.

I do not believe in aliens, but I do believe in seducing demonic spirits.

The chance of aliens existing is far higher than demons. We know that life appeared on a planet at least once, so it's likely it exists on one of the trillions of other planets out there in the universe. But the demon thing is just more woo woo stuff as far as I'm concerned.

[Mal Kiever]

Nature created humans and other animals using evolution, life on earth started with abiogenesis, that's nature creating the first life on earth, the big bang created this universe, that's nature creating the universe. So what created the big bang, where did the big bang come from? We don't know. But so far nature has probably created everything so I'm predicting nature was the cause of the big bang instead of God.. Nature has a good track record of creating. That's why I'm an agnostic-atheist.

What makes you believe that nature is the cause of the big bang? What are you basing this on?

[toro]

Well D Thomas I believe it takes more faith to not believe in God than it takes to believe in him. I am amazed how people can over look the fact that the human body is such a magnificent work of art that to think it could be constructed without a master designer speaks for itself. With all of our scientific knowledge today we can construct skyscrapers, satellites, space probes, cell phones, beautiful homes, vehicles, etc, but we can not create on living cell from scratch.

Actually biologists did.

Although, I'm sure you're going to say something like, "See? This proves we were designed!" But, whatever...

Our scientist have sent space probes to the moon, Mars, Venus, Jupiter and its many moons in hopes of finding one microbe of life. So far they have found nothing.

They've found cycling liquid water and methane reproduction on Mars, which could possibly indicate sub-surface microbial life, which is wear many microbiologists theorize early microbial life began and evolved on Earth. We also haven't looked for life in any accurate manner on any planets other than Mars... or moons... or solar systems.

Measuring generally helps to detect things, FYI.

(We also haven't detected God over a thousand years of measuring, so does this mean you think he doesn't exist?)

Life is only granted by the command of God for it to appear. We are more than willing to destroy our enemies. Our great military will attest to that. Don't you thing God will do the same to his enemies? Unfortunately he will. "Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated." Which one would you like to be in the end?

Well he certainly hasn't yet. Pagans make up the majority of the global population. Furthermore, the only ancient civilization that has enjoyed a continuous existence into the modern era is China, which has never been Christian. Does this mean God is communist or does it mean he's Chinese?

I like the latter as it explains why he doesn't answer prayers: he doesn't understand them in English, and only 3% of China is Christian.

The universe had a beginning. Do atheist argue that fact? Their leaders no longer do.

Atheists don't have "leaders". If you mean "scientists", they still discuss this topic rather thoroughly and have not reached a consensus.

Furthermore you need to define what you mean by "beginning", "nothingness", and "universe". Once you reach very high energies as near the boundaries of spacetime, common concepts become fairly meaningless. Also, our common ideas actually inaccurately describe the physical characteristics of the universe anyway.

I received radiation treatment for it following the operation. I told God that I was going to put my faith in him to heal me and I never went back to the doctor after that promise. That was 23 years ago and I am still here and in good health. So you see my faith made me whole. People can believe what they want; I know he has taken care of me. My heart can never be changed.

Sorry to hear and glad you're alright, but unfortunately, as indicated in the above link, God doesn't listen to the prayers of any other Christian in similar situations. Not even 5%.