Chauvin Murder Trial

[The Architect Of Fate]

Mark Geragos and other big time lawyers think the drugs and the ruling of heart failure are key things that could have a big impact on the trial. 

You mean the guy who defended  Chris Brown and Jussie Smollett (oh yeah he's totally credible ) 

This is what the legal experts are saying.

Nope this is what you want to be true 

 The media barely ever brought up these things because they didn't fit the narrative the media likes to push.

They brought it up plenty 

You think Epstein killed himself? Good boy. Keep buying what the establishment feeds you.

Keep buying whatever bullshit fringe morons feed you.

Culture war BS? I hope you are proud of the climbing murder rates. Job well done.

You mean the murder rates that have nothing to do with BLM or defunding the police lol

[Irreligious Atheist]

He wasn't found in his room at home, though.  He was found underneath the knee of another man.  Again, the charges can't be defended against in this way - we're all mortal, we'll all be shuffling off this coil some day or another, some way or another.  That we'll all die some day or could some other way is not a defense against murder.

Very true, but it does take away from the narrative that he was choked to death, although the 2nd autopsy says it was the neck and not heart failure that killed him. When I have conflicting autopsy reports, what am I to think?

[Silver]

Are you really thinking, though?

[The Architect Of Fate]

Very true, but it does take away from the narrative that he was choked to death, although the 2nd autopsy says it was the neck and not heart failure that killed him. When I have conflicting autopsy reports, what am I to think?

You clearly don't think

[Silver]

Firefighter Testifies: 'I Was Desperate To Help ... And This Human Was Denied That'
npr.org

Genevieve Hansen expected Monday, May 25 to be a peaceful day.

That's what she told jurors on Tuesday in the murder trial of former officer Derek Chauvin who is accused of killing George Floyd last year.

Instead, during an off-duty walk home from a community garden she heard a woman yelling that the police were killing the black man, prone and in handcuffs, face down in the street.

Hansen, who is a trained emergency medical technician and Minneapolis firefighter, testified that upon taking in the scene, she moved closer to the officers who were pinning Floyd on the asphalt and identified herself as a first responder.

In video footage played for the court, Hansen could be heard demanding that the officers check his pulse.

"I had already assessed that [Floyd] was in an altered state of consciousness. What I needed to know was if he had a pulse."

She described how Floyd was lying motionless: "He wasn't moving, and he was cuffed. And three grown men putting all of their weight on somebody is too much," she said. "The first thing that concerned me was his face was smushed into the ground. Swollen. It appeared swollen to me."

But rather than allow her to help, Hansen said, then-officer Tou Thao "said something along the lines of, 'If you really are a Minneapolis firefighter, you would know better than to get involved.' "

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Her voice began to tremble when she recalled the impotence that overwhelmed her as Thao and the other officers blocked her from providing the kind of medical care she has been trained to give. "I got there and I could have given medical assistance. That's exactly what I should have done."

She broke down moments later when describing how she felt "totally distressed."

When asked about her shifting tone on the video taken on the day of the killing, she explained that she initially addressed the officers in a calm and reasonable manner. But that as the minutes slipped away, and she realized that Floyd may have released his bladder as a result of becoming unconscious or possibly dead, she began raising her voice and using foul language.

"Because I was desperate to help. ... Because there was a man being killed and ... had I had access to a call similar to that, I would have been able to provide medical attention to the best of my abilities. And this human was denied that," she said.

Prosecutors also played audio of a 911 call Hansen made moments after Floyd was loaded into an ambulance.

"Hello. I'm on the block of 38th and Chicago, and I literally watched police officers not take a pulse and not do anything to save a man, and I am a first responder myself, and I literally have it on video. I just happened to be on a walk," Hansen said in the call.

She told the court that she regretted waiting so long to call adding that she should have acted more quickly.

"I should have called 911 immediately but I didn't and when things calmed down I realized that I wanted them to know what was going on. I wanted to basically report it," she said.

During cross examination, defense attorney Eric Nelson, questioned Hansen's training and discrepancies between statements she'd previously given law enforcement and the testimony she had just provided. He also reminded her that she cannot definitely testify that two of the officers who were helping to restrain Floyd did not take his pulse because she could not see them from her vantage point where she was told to stand on the sidewalk by Thao.

Nelson noted that Hansen's training as an EMT was not equal to that of a paramedic. He also asked a series of questions that forced her to acknowledge that she was unaware of the timeline of when the officers had called for medical assistance and noted they were already on their way by the time she arrived on the scene.

He also tried to get her to admit that if she were to try to put out a fire with "an angry crowd" around her, she may become distracted. But Hansen refused to agree.

"Have you ever had a citizen start to yell at you while fighting a fire? ... What if there were 12 people yelling at you telling you you were doing it wrong? You wouldn't be distracted by that?" Nelson asked.

"Like I said, I know my job and I am confident in my job and what I do and what needs to be done and my training. So I would continue to do that," Hansen responded.

In one of the more tense exchanges, Nelson asked Hansen if she was angry and upset at the scene.

"I don't know if you've seen anybody been killed, but it's upsetting," she replied.

That prompted Judge Peter Cahill to instruct her to answer the specific question.

But Hansen grew increasingly agitated by Nelson's questions and the second day of the trial ended with Cahill reprimanding Hansen for being argumentative.

"I'm advising you do not argue with the counsel and the court," Cahill said, from the the bench. "You will not argue with the court."

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[Irreligious Atheist]

Mark Geragos and other big time lawyers think the drugs and the ruling of heart failure are key things that could have a big impact on the trial. 

You mean the guy who defended  Chris Brown and Jussie Smollett (oh yeah he's totally credible ) 

This is what the legal experts are saying.

Nope this is what you want to be true 

 The media barely ever brought up these things because they didn't fit the narrative the media likes to push.

They brought it up plenty 

You think Epstein killed himself? Good boy. Keep buying what the establishment feeds you.

Keep pushing whatever bullshit fringe morons feed you.

Culture war BS? I hope you are proud of the climbing murder rates. Job well done.

You mean the murder rates that have nothing to do with BLM or defunding the police lol

What the heck? Their job is to defend bad guys. What's your issue exactly? Everyone, no matter how bad, deserves to put up a defense and have legal representation. When Hillary Clinton was a lawyer, she was saying that little girls deserved their rapings because they were seeking the attention of older men. That's what defense attorneys do. They do whatever it takes to get their client off, and there's no shame in that. You're trying to discredit Mark Geragos of all people, one of the biggest names in law because you need to virtue signal about "hitting women is bad and only a bad man would defend them"?

[The Architect Of Fate]

What the heck? Their job is to defend bad guys. What's your issue exactly? Everyone, no matter how bad, deserves to put up a defense and have legal representation.

Yeah, he's defended the bad guys alright and gotten into bed with them apparently.

 When Hillary Clinton was a lawyer, she was saying that little girls deserved their rapings because they were seeking the attention of older men.

False and irrelevant

 That's what defense attorneys do. They do whatever it takes to get their client off, and there's no shame in that. You're trying to discredit Mark Geragos of all people, one of the biggest names in law because you need to virtue signal about "hitting women is bad and only a bad man would defend them"?

So you have resorted to rhetoric to defend Geragos and hype him up because it's convenient to your cop apologetics and accusing me of virtual signaling is a riot coming from you.

[Rev. Rye]

Culture war BS? I hope you are proud of the climbing murder rates. Job well done.

While it's too early to tell, especially with COVID as a confounding factor, the heightening of racial tensions is by no means the only explanation for the sudden spike in the murder rates. This article lists several other possibilities, things like trust in police going down the toilet and people resorting to street justice to resolve disputes up to and including murder, or, indeed, the economy tanking, thrusting more people into poverty (a state of affairs that tends to make people more likely to commit murder.) And, of course, it points out that everything's still up in the air.

And, for the record, there's been two autopsies of George Floyd, and, unfortunately, neither one really exonerates Chauvin.

[The Grand Nudger]

Very true, but it does take away from the narrative that he was choked to death, although the 2nd autopsy says it was the neck and not heart failure that killed him. When I have conflicting autopsy reports, what am I to think?

Lets say that you were kneeling on a cops neck...and after a few minutes of that, that cop suffered heart failure or asphyxiation.  Take your pick.   Is there any doubt in your mind that you would be charged?

[Rev. Rye]

Very true, but it does take away from the narrative that he was choked to death, although the 2nd autopsy says it was the neck and not heart failure that killed him. When I have conflicting autopsy reports, what am I to think?

Lets say that you were kneeling on a cops neck...and after a few minutes of that, that cop suffered heart failure or asphyxiation.  Take your pick.   Is there any doubt in your mind that you would be charged?

Or your heart failed because he was kneeling on your neck and keeping you from breathing.