Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 14, 2024, 11:15 pm
Atheist Forums › Community › Atheism v
Indoctrination

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
Indoctrination
Deesse23 Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: Agnostic atheist
Posts: 2769
Threads: 4
Joined: September 21, 2018
Reputation: 33
#31
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 9:07 am
(January 21, 2022 at 1:52 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I'm not much of an intellectual powerhouse.
No shit? Read
Cetero censeo religionem delendam esse
Find
Reply
Mister Agenda Offline Donators
Donator
*****
Religious Views: Rational skeptic
Posts: 10720
Threads: 15
Joined: September 9, 2011
Reputation: 119
#32
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 10:23 am
(January 22, 2022 at 8:16 am)Ahriman Wrote:
(January 22, 2022 at 1:36 am)Astreja Wrote: No evidence for gods that's up to our standards.
Nah, there's got to be more to it than that.

Why?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Find
Reply
Angrboda Offline
Bringer Of Grief
*****
Religious Views: Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.
Posts: 29767
Threads: 116
Joined: February 22, 2011
Reputation: 159
#33
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 10:34 am
As to the original question, the accusation of indoctrination is a lot like the accusation that an atheist has faith. Unable to bring themselves up to your level, they want to bring you down to theirs.
[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]
Find
Reply
Ahriman Offline
It was HER turn
****
Religious Views: let's restore the garden of eden
Posts: 3818
Threads: 41
Joined: August 15, 2021
Reputation: 7
#34
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 11:26 am
(January 22, 2022 at 10:23 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(January 22, 2022 at 8:16 am)Ahriman Wrote: Nah, there's got to be more to it than that.

Why?
Believers often, knowingly, lack evidence for God's existence. So a lack of evidence isn't exclusive to atheists.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
Find
Reply
zebo-the-fat Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: Atheist
Posts: 3276
Threads: 179
Joined: April 29, 2012
Reputation: 24
#35
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 12:13 pm
Why would you believe something that you have no evidence for?
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

Find
Reply
Ahriman Offline
It was HER turn
****
Religious Views: let's restore the garden of eden
Posts: 3818
Threads: 41
Joined: August 15, 2021
Reputation: 7
#36
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 12:42 pm
(January 22, 2022 at 12:13 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: Why would you believe something that you have no evidence for?
It's called faith.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 67270
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 162
#37
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 12:55 pm (This post was last modified: January 22, 2022 at 12:57 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
A lot of us probably think of faith some other way. A thing we have because we’ve seen so much evidence that no future discovery could overturn our present conclusions.

I have complete faith in the people closest to me, for example.

I don’t buy this faith shit in questions about evidence, anyway. The faithful never tire of describing their evidence.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
Ahriman Offline
It was HER turn
****
Religious Views: let's restore the garden of eden
Posts: 3818
Threads: 41
Joined: August 15, 2021
Reputation: 7
#38
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 1:01 pm
Well there are different types of evidence. The evidence of a believer is faith-based evidence, meaning it's not empirical evidence, but still a valid form of evidence.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
Find
Reply
The Grand Nudger Offline
Retired Staff
*****
Religious Views: Invasive
Posts: 67270
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation: 162
#39
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 1:06 pm
Already told you I don’t buy it. The faithful never tire of describing their empirical evidence.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Find
Reply
Ahriman Offline
It was HER turn
****
Religious Views: let's restore the garden of eden
Posts: 3818
Threads: 41
Joined: August 15, 2021
Reputation: 7
#40
RE: Indoctrination
January 22, 2022 at 1:10 pm
What if a person has an extra-sensory (beyond 5 senses) experience in a way that can be measured using scientific tools, would you consider that evidence for something supernatural?
"Imagination, life is your creation"
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Community › Atheism v
Indoctrination

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Disgusting Example of Indoctrination Socratic Meth Head 41 8054 April 10, 2016 at 8:47 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Religious indoctrination of Nieces and Nephews: How to help? Free Thinker 11 3150 November 23, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Last Post: Nope
  Child Indoctrination God Is Not Gr8 5 1747 February 22, 2014 at 5:15 pm
Last Post: *Deidre*
  Leaving indoctrination behind Joel 9 2874 March 23, 2013 at 2:03 am
Last Post: Minimalist
  Religious Indoctrination: Your earliest experiences. Reforged 10 5250 April 17, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Last Post: Mystic



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)