[Quranic reflection]: hell is a black hole-part III

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Not really following along.

Has WinterHold pointed to which black hole has the properties thy are claiming?

Y'know, since there's quite a few of the things out there.

[Jehanne]

Not at all; the Quran itself is what defined the facts in modern science.

Except we never see any scientific innovations coming from Islamic countries. And the Quran is to be blamed. Islamic "scholar" Al-Ghazali in the 11th century concluded that according to Quran, mathematics is the work of the devil, and that's why Islamic countries stayed mathematically primitive since then because Muslims stick to this guy's teachings. No scientific innovations, basically no Nobel Prizes, nothing.

Muslim scholars did preserve many ancient texts; Western scholars owe them a debt on that one. Also some thoughtful commentaries on Aristotle and some early work on medicine that found its way into the Florentine renaissance.

P.S. Agriculture, too; Muslims brought cotton & rice to Spain.

[The Grand Nudger]

Militarily subdued pagans forcibly converted to islam (at least in public) did the legwork on that, actually (their communities would go on to be abused as a point of process). Agriculture was discovered and spread globally before any godman was a twinkle in a conmans eye. Those texts, they believed, were the keys to the kingdom, and a hedge against any impression that they were culturally backward nuts compared to the more well established empires they intended to compete with.

[Fake Messiah]

Muslim scholars did preserve many ancient texts; Western scholars owe them a debt on that one. Also some thoughtful commentaries on Aristotle and some early work on medicine that found its way into the Florentine renaissance.

P.S. Agriculture, too; Muslims brought cotton & rice to Spain.

That was during the so-called golden age which Neal mentions, but then they started interpreting the Quran as they did and it all went down the hill.

[Silver]

I'll never understand how people can equate a book full of magic and mythological elements with reality and science. A book making the claim that a man flew on a winged steed and split the moon in half cannot be trusted to be accurate regarding science. Then if the book has to be interpreted a specific way that only believers can understand or particular parts of it to not be taken literally, then the entire book is untrustworthy as a guide for reality.

[WinterHold]

Not at all; the Quran itself is what defined the facts in modern science.

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Because the Quran doesn't make any sense unless the reader believes that what's mentioned in it is real 100%.

In this age, we discovered that over 80% of all matter in the universe is made up of material scientists have never seen. Black holes even look us in the face but we can't see them but we can only measure their effect on the surrounding bodies.

We have photos of them, moron.

Oh God xD

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Except we never see any scientific innovations coming from Islamic countries. And the Quran is to be blamed. Islamic "scholar" Al-Ghazali in the 11th century concluded that according to Quran, mathematics is the work of the devil, and that's why Islamic countries stayed mathematically primitive since then because Muslims stick to this guy's teachings. No scientific innovations, basically no Nobel Prizes, nothing.

Muslim scholars did preserve many ancient texts; Western scholars owe them a debt on that one.  Also some thoughtful commentaries on Aristotle and some early work on medicine that found its way into the Florentine renaissance.

P.S.  Agriculture, too; Muslims brought cotton & rice to Spain.

Muslims weren't destroyers of civilizations, thank you for your remark.
Unlike the Conquistadors, the Mongols and other toxic expansions, Muslims kept every civilization intact, the Egyptian pyramids are an example.

[Peebothuhlu]

 

Not at work.

[Deesse23]

ISIS: certainly not for a lack of trying

Iow: it was Muslim incompetence that saved pre Islamic cultural symbols in Syria, nothing else

[The Architect Of Fate]

Muslims weren't destroyers of civilizations, thank you for your remark.

Lol yes have been you annihilated countless previous cultures 

Unlike the Conquistadors, the Mongols and other toxic expansions, Muslims kept every civilization intact, the Egyptian pyramids are an example.

Islam has destroyed plenty of cultures also you realize the groups the Mongols and the Conquistadors fought are still around right?

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ISIS: certainly not for a lack of trying

Iow: it was Muslim incompetence that saved pre Islamic cultural symbols in Syria, nothing else

Indeed

[Fake Messiah]

Muslims weren't destroyers of civilizations, thank you for your remark.
Unlike the Conquistadors, the Mongols and other toxic expansions, Muslims kept every civilization intact, the Egyptian pyramids are an example.

In the early days of Islam as they conquered nations, Muslims were tolerant of Christians and Jews. That's one of the reasons why they were so successful in their military campaigns because, by the 7th century, Christians were fighting so much amongst each other that they just let Muslims conquer them. Muslims preserved the Coptic Church in Egypt which was in the 7th century proclaimed heretical by the Church in Rome and they would have been wiped out by Christians if Muslims didn't taken over Egypt who "only" demanded that Christians pay them regularly and they can survive, although it wasn't without excesses.