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How do they know when God is angry?
#41
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
Quote:nope they can not.
They can't be right and wrong,
They can't be negro and white at the same time.
Your beliefs can be true or false there is no midway between them.
1. Actually they can be right and wrong. Some of their beliefs could be correct and the rest could nonsense 
2. Negro is an invented term it has no objective meaning and has been applied to whites in the past 
3. A set of beliefs can be partially right and partially wrong. Jesus can exist but not be the son of god even if he completely believes he is and all his followers were willing to die for that belief
"Change was inevitable"


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#42
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
(August 25, 2022 at 4:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 25, 2022 at 4:09 am)Believe Heart Wrote: Try to think this.
The prophet is really a prophet, therefore, you will go to hell or he is a liar and you won't. There is no way between them. If there is, tell me the other possibility.

Another possibility: The Prophet wasn't lying, just wrong, therefore I won't go to hell.

Another possibility: The Prophet was truly a prophet, but the compilers of the Quran left out the bit where God appreciates honest doubt.

Another possibility: The Quran is no different than any other 'holy' book, and I'll end up in Valhalla drinking goat meat smoothies.

Possibilities are endless.

Boru
Indeed one can truly and honestly believe X with all their heart to the death and they can be right about some things or at least understand something and still be wrong on other things. This is a false dilemma.
"Change was inevitable"


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#43
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
(August 25, 2022 at 4:22 am)Helios Wrote:
Quote:nope they can not.
They can't be right and wrong,
They can't be negro and white at the same time.
Your beliefs can be true or false there is no midway between them.
1. Actually they can be right and wrong. Some of their beliefs could be correct and the rest could nonsense 
2. Negro is an invented term it has no objective meaning and has been applied to whites in the past 
3. A set of beliefs can be partially right and partially wrong. Jesus can exist but not be the son of god even if he completely believes he is and all his followers were willing to die for that belief

Nope that is also not possible.
Believe means "God". God means Perfection. Therefore anything about a religion which is doubtful is not acceptable. Therefore I, for example even don't accept lots of phrases in Hadith books, because they look suspicious to me. 
I only accept and believe absolute truths.
That you can find by scientific methods or you can get from a real divine message.
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#44
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
Absolute truths - real or imagined.

Yep, that makes sense.
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#45
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
(August 25, 2022 at 4:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(August 25, 2022 at 4:09 am)Believe Heart Wrote: Try to think this.
The prophet is really a prophet, therefore, you will go to hell or he is a liar and you won't. There is no way between them. If there is, tell me the other possibility.

Another possibility: The Prophet wasn't lying, just wrong, therefore I won't go to hell.

Another possibility: The Prophet was truly a prophet, but the compilers of the Quran left out the bit where God appreciates honest doubt.

Another possibility: The Quran is no different than any other 'holy' book, and I'll end up in Valhalla drinking goat meat smoothies.

Possibilities are endless.

Boru

1- You go to hell or not. There are only 2 possibilities. The things you mentioned above are just reasons not the results.
2- No one can blame others for his sins. You can not blame Muslims for your doubts and wrong beliefs. Because there are thousands of others who find the right way under your circumstances. Probably you should check your arrogance which makes you blind.
3- It is only your assumption. Have you ever read and finished Quran from beginning to the end and also read Vikings' holly books which mentions Valhalla from beginning to the end. How can you match them without knowing them completely?
Life taught me that the main reason for all my failures is assumptions.
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#46
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
The biggest assumption, of course, is that god exists.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#47
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
(August 25, 2022 at 6:12 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Absolute truths - real or imagined.  

Yep, that makes sense.


What makes you think that I believe what I imagined?

I am a Muslim and give me an example that shows I believe something I Imagined instead of existed.
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#48
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
(August 25, 2022 at 6:27 am)Tomato Wrote: The biggest assumption, of course, is that god exists.

May I cry in here?
Honey, I feel like I am trying to prove the existence of the Sun to blinds.
If you won't open your eyes, what can I do in this despair?

The existence of God is a shining truth where ever you turn your eyes.
But if you deliberately close your eyes,  There is no one on earth, including the prophets, who can bring the light to you.
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#49
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
We have evidence of the sun's existence. When god's existence can similarly be proven, then and only then can the religious concepts step clear of the mythological fog surrounding them.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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#50
RE: How do they know when God is angry?
(August 25, 2022 at 6:24 am)Believe Heart Wrote:
(August 25, 2022 at 4:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Another possibility: The Prophet wasn't lying, just wrong, therefore I won't go to hell.

Another possibility: The Prophet was truly a prophet, but the compilers of the Quran left out the bit where God appreciates honest doubt.

Another possibility: The Quran is no different than any other 'holy' book, and I'll end up in Valhalla drinking goat meat smoothies.

Possibilities are endless.

Boru

1- You go to hell or not. There are only 2 possibilities. The things you mentioned above are just reasons not the results.
2- No one can blame others for his sins. You can not blame Muslims for your doubts and wrong beliefs. Because there are thousands of others who find the right way under your circumstances. Probably you should check your arrogance which makes you blind.
3- It is only your assumption. Have you ever read and finished Quran from beginning to the end and also read Vikings' holly books which mentions Valhalla from beginning to the end. How can you match them without knowing them completely?
Life taught me that the main reason for all my failures is assumptions.

1. If Big Mo was wrong (not lying, just wrong), then I won’t go to hell.

2. I don’t sin. I take pride in my ability to doubt, so I’m not sure I can reasonably ‘blame’ anyone. Certainly not Muslims. Same for my arrogance.

3. I’ve read both Eddas (together with a lot of supernumerary material) and I own three copies of the Quran - two in English - that were gifted to me by Muslim friends. So, yes, I’ve read your book.

I have another theory about what is responsible for your failures. Wink

Boru
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