Is this a contradiction or am I reading it wrong? Genesis 5:28

[Fake Messiah]

I know I have barely scratched the texts and look forward to understanding them more...particularly in terms of the ancient middle east mindset.

You are not trying to understand the Bible but, rather, you are trying to take it seriously.

[Ferrocyanide]

Yeah, atheists, are you so ignorant that you think that Christians actually believe all that crap from the Bible? It is so arrogantly ignorant that you think that Christians believe that a man lived in a belly of a big fish, or that donkey talked, and you are at your dumbest when you think that Christians believe that a virgin got pregnant and then some dumb carpenter walked on water and resurrected from the dead. I mean give me a break!

Be that as it may, IMHO literal-minded approaches rob people of texts' depth from reaching them, regardless of whether they are JW-AssemblyOfGod-MoodyBible-SouthernBaptist-types or internet atheists. I know I have barely scratched the texts and look forward to understanding them more...particularly in terms of the ancient middle east mindset.

And if you are taking the Bible seriously, then why do you take it seriously?
What has convinced you that this is the one true faith and that the jewish god is real?

[Neo-Scholastic]

I know I have barely scratched the texts and look forward to understanding them more...particularly in terms of the ancient middle east mindset.

You are not trying to understand the Bible but, rather, you are trying to take it seriously.

What makes you think those are mutually exclusive? I want to understand it so I take it seriously, meaning I approach scripture on its own terms, and
not trying to project my own personal and cultural biases onto the text. At the same time, I am cognizant of the fact that just as Western art is filled with biblical allusions, the various writers of scripture drew outside allusions from the art and myths of surrounding cultures. I take the Iliad seriously, too. MILF Manor…not so much.

What has convinced you that this is the one true faith and that the jewish god is real?

I believe you got the wrong guy :-) My attitude is very ecumenical towards other faith traditions.

Now if some people want to promote the notion that the only valid perspective on the human experience is from that of citizens living in a post-Christian Western democracy, they are free to do so. To me that sounds very narrow-minded.

[Fake Messiah]

What makes you think those are mutually exclusive?

Because we understand that the stories in the Bible are just fairytales while you are trying to find something that is not there.

[Anomalocaris]

What makes you think those are mutually exclusive?

Because we understand that the stories in the Bible are just fairytales while you are trying to find something that is not there.

Because to truly understand the stories of the Bible, as opposed to truly determined to worship the stories of the Bible and willing to construct any narrative to facilitate it, is to despise the stories of the Bible for being the low brow hucksterish bullshit even for its era.

[brewer]

Because we understand that the stories in the Bible are just fairytales while you are trying to find something that is not there.

Because to truly understand the stories of the Bible, as opposed to truly determined to worship the stories of the Bible and willing to construct any narrative to facilitate it, is to despise the stories of the Bible for being the low brow hucksterish bullshit even for its era.

blind faith is a powerful thing

[Ferrocyanide]

What has convinced you that this is the one true faith and that the jewish god is real?

I believe you got the wrong guy :-) My attitude is very ecumenical towards other faith traditions.

Now if some people want to promote the notion that the only valid perspective on the human experience is from that of citizens living in a post-Christian Western democracy, they are free to do so. To me that sounds very narrow-minded.

I don’t know what ecumenical means, so let me look it up.

merriam-webster says:
1a. of, relating to, or representing the whole of a body of churches
1b. promoting or tending toward worldwide Christian unity or cooperation

2. worldwide or general in extent, influence, or application

I’m not sure what that means.
Are you saying that you think that the jewish god is real or not real or you haven’t decided yet?

Do you believe that there was really a Jesus that was the son of the jewish god and he was born and did some of the magic tricks as described in the Bible?

I ask because the forum shows: Religious Views: Non-denominational Christian

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Like how much water would be needed to flood the entire fucking world to kill off a few misbehaving souls?

Doing the math is a fun exercise.
One person had said 3.25 times all the water in the oceans.
My number came up to 3.12.

Not even close. HE would need enough water to cover the entire earth to an elevation of 29,029 feet [8,848 meters] ASL*, to cover Everest.

*Above Sea Level.

[Anomalocaris]

There are about 1.3 billion cubic kilometers of water in the world’s oceans currently.

Most of the earth’s land mass is at fairly close to the current sea level, mountains and large plateaus form only a small part of land area, so to an first order approximation, we can ignore the volume taken up by mountains when we calculate the volume of water required to raise the sea level 29,000 feet to flood the top of the highest mountain.   It turns out that requires an addition of 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water, as can be determined by subtracting the volume of a sphere 9 km larger than the current radius of the earth (the size of an earth flooded to drown the tallest mountain) from the current volume of the earth.

So it seems it would require the addition of just under 3.46 times as much water as currently in all of the world’s oceans to drown the tallest mountains.  Round that down slightly to account volumes of existing mountains and plateaus, say around 3.4 times.


Adding 3.4 times as much water in the ocean to the atmosphere, so it can rain out in Noah’s eponymous flood,  would increase the atmosphere pressure of the earth from 14.7 psi to about 19000 psi.    At 19000 psi pressure the air would be twice as dense as water.     Breathing it would be like breathing molasses. 

To keep all the water in the air that’s about to rain out in the vapor phase so as to not be prematurely raining out and ruining Noah’s eponymous ark while it is still under construction, the atmosphere temperature would have to be high enough to keep so much water vapor from exceeding the saturation pressure.

Unfortunately I failed to locate any engineering saturation pressure plot that goes up to 19000 psi.   The highest doesn’t even go 1/10 that high.   But at 1/10 that pressure, the saturation temperature is already 350 degrees Celsius.

To put it differently, even if the atmosphere Noah breathed contained just 1/10 as much water as required to precipitate out and drown the tallest mountain, that atmophere must have already been hot enough to melt lead to keep all that water from supersaturating the atmophere and instantly raining out.

Noah must have been quite the champ to be able to work so hard at building the ark while breathing air as thick as molasses and hot enough to at least melt lead.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"It seems to run on some sort of math." Paraphrasing Captain America.