Islam owns atheism with a single verse

[Angrboda]

 There have been plenty who have conceived of God as simply annihilating us upon death, which they see as the most benevolent act.

Plenty of people are morons who believe in moronic things, we know, thanks for the info.

Brilliant argument. It doesn't follow from that that they are wrong, but at least you got to vent some spleen.

God annihilating both Hitler and his victims forever, with no justice served, is infinitely malevolent and evil. It radically contradicts benevolence. If you disagree with that, I am not sure you have the equipment to continue this conversation.

Unless treating Hitler and others differently from each other was a greater evil such that the minimization of evil required annihilating all equally.

Like many pedestrian theists, you lack imagination, in addition to often having other cognitive deficits. I knew as much from your opening post given that you think an argument from design is a slam dunk. The design argument is fatally flawed and your insistence that it is valid doesn't make it so. As you said, many people believe incorrect things, that you believe this doesn't make it so.

 It sounds like you're projecting, ala "If I were a benevolent God then I would do X" -- but you aren't a benevolent god and so your speculation is uninformative. 

I know what the word benevolent means and that's enough. We can understand properties without personally possessing these properties.

Do you know what benevolent means to God? No. Again, you are projecting based upon what you as a limited mortal understand of such things, but your understanding is not God's understanding and so the fact that you understand benevolent thusly doesn't mean dick for our purposes here. And you still haven't surmounted the problem that there do exist real mysteries about God.

And I didn't say that God's nature was completely mysterious.  Learn to read.

Right, you only said that God is mysterious. And by that you meant that God is only mildly, but not completely, mysterious. So we do know some things about God, as traditionally conceived, after all, huh ?

I never disputed that. God being partially mysterious is sufficient to conclude that you cannot know necessarily that God would do any specific X based upon your limited, mortal, and incomplete comprehension of Him.

[Astreja]

I don't think a relationship, or anything else in heaven, will be inconvenient. The very purpose of heaven is enjoyment. God will make it so that you necessarily enjoy whatever happens in heaven.

Ah. You obviously worship a manipulative asshole god that treats sentient beings like puppets, then. I reject your religion and your deity unconditionally and for all eternity.

[Gwaithmir]

Hello members of the forum

I write this thread for honest atheists who are willing to reconsider their position. Islam settled the issue of doubting God a very long time ago. God's existence is self-evident in his creation and the beauty of the world.

14:10 / Their messengers asked ˹them˺, “Is there any doubt about Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth? He is inviting you in order to forgive your sins, and delay your end until your appointed term.”

That's it, that's how much it takes in the Qur'an to deal with atheism once and for all: not discussing what is self-evident, because it would be less than self-evident, and it isn't. There is no doubt about God or Allah, because the Earth and everything else require an originator. Atheists are fooling themselves, existence can't be explained by dumb luck.

Thank your for reading. May God bless you and lead you to the right path.

Cheers

Somehow, I don't feel owned. You'll have to do better than quote from a book of mythology.

[The Valkyrie]

Is it "Booom"?

[Loaded dice]

Somehow, I don't feel owned. You'll have to do better than quote from a book of mythology.

I see you've already made up your mind about the Qur'an being a mythology.. not a good start.

Plenty of people are morons who believe in moronic things, we know, thanks for the info.

Brilliant argument.  It doesn't follow from that that they are wrong, but at least you got to vent some spleen.

It follows that you should stop citing people's beliefs when you attempt to make an argument.

Unless treating Hitler and others differently from each other was a greater evil such that the minimization of evil required annihilating all equally.

I'm pretty sure the 6 million dead Jews of the Holocaust strongly disagree with your assessment above. Murdering one innocent person is infinitely evil and requires extreme punishment. It's pretty clear that, for someone who isn't a moral thug, other-worldly punishment is required for mass murderers like Hitler to achieve justice.

Do you know what benevolent means to God?  No.  Again, you are projecting based upon what you as a limited mortal understand of such things, 

We're discussing God as traditionally conceived here. In Islam, we have authentic accounts of the prophet asserting that God is more merciful to us than a mother to her child, and many other similar accounts. So, there a lot of detail about the meaning of benevolence for God in traditional belief systems.

 God being partially mysterious is sufficient to conclude that you cannot know necessarily that God would do any specific X based upon your limited, mortal, and incomplete comprehension of Him.

And .. uh.. what makes Him not completely mysterious, according to you ?

[Mister Agenda]

Still waiting for some convincing EVIDENCE for a god, an old book of myths is not evidence,  sorry!

You are the evidence. Your existence is evidence of a great originator. Please think wisely

If great originator, then my existence.
My existence, therefore great originator.

If X, then Y
Y, therefore X

If an animal is a dog, it has four legs.
My cat has four legs, therefore it is a dog.

Your fallacy is affirming the consequent. Please think logically.

[Gwaithmir]

Somehow, I don't feel owned. You'll have to do better than quote from a book of mythology.

I see you've already made up your mind about the Qur'an being a mythology.. not a good start.

Until you can prove that Mohammad really ascended to heaven on a winged horse, I will regard the Qur'an as a book of mythology, just like to Bible, The book of Mormon, The Vedas, or the ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead.

[Mister Agenda]

Magic isn't like religion, you're lying again.


Allah means God in Islam, that's it, no overthinking. Your theories about the etymology of the word Allah are unsupported nonsense.

It's not MY theory. There are multiple proofs and references for what I said. Multiple. I will post them, and YOU will be the cause of the scandal.
Allah no likey that shit.
The fact you are totally ignorant of the history of Islam is of no import. Totally utterly ignorant. 
The fact is, Muhammad never existed. 

I've seen several hundred arguments for God, all are fatally flawed by fallacy or premises. It there were one that wasn't; it would be the only one anyone would need.

[Loaded dice]

If great originator, then my existence.

I never claimed this. You're putting words in my mouth.

It doesn't follow from God existing that we exist. He could have chosen to not create us.

[Loaded dice]

Until you can prove that Mohammad really ascended to heaven on a winged horse, 

If you're an atheist you need to take a step back and discuss God's existence instead.