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RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 8:59 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2023 at 9:30 pm by arewethereyet.)
(July 23, 2023 at 8:56 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Totally false, Helios. Confused Militant Atheist Hitchenism. Come to India some time. You will see how Hindus, Muslims, and Christians alike venerate her as a Saint because of the wonderful love she showed to all of India's Poor. Hitchens is a clueless idiot who attacked her mainly because of her strong pro-life stance. He did not acknowledge even one iota of the love she showed and the sacrifices she made and the reason she is so greatly loved in India across all faiths. Even ardent Hindutva Nationalists - influenced by Savarkar, not Gandhiji - respect her for great works, well known here in India, unlike that clueless coward Hitchens. What did Hitchens ever do for India's Poor. Absolutely nothing, that's what.
Were you stomping your feet while typing this? It reads like you were having a bit of a tantrum. Someone said something mean about the nun who didn't believe in your god. Bummer.
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 8:59 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2023 at 9:00 pm by Angrboda.)
(July 23, 2023 at 8:39 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: I'm not a Militant Atheist....
Wow. You really don't understand what an allusion is.
Daniel Dennett has said that many theists believe in belief, by which he means that they believe that simply believing is itself a good thing. You remind me of that in that it is clear that you are in love with the idea of Christian love, but you are not capable of realizing it in your own life. You are a poseur who is romantically attached to the ideas that he thinks represent a person as being Christian, while simultaneously not possessing any of said virtues himself. This is why you exaggerate, instead of, "I've tried to answer all questions," we get, "I have answered all questions," instead of, "There is a compelling case to be made that Isaiah prefigures Christ," we get, "Isaiah is a clear prophecy of Jesus." You are a fakir who serves not God, but your own vanity and ego. I, as I am today, live a more Christian life than I suspect you do, have, or ever will.
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 9:04 pm
(July 23, 2023 at 2:02 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Hymn4n, if you're so intent on going to Hell and becoming a Damned Soul by your own free choice, nobody can do anything about it.
God has nearly 10 Billion Souls to be concerned about and He will not wait forever, for you or for anyone else. He will give everyone chances, then move on.
Thief and assassin for hire. Member in good standing of the Rogues Guild.
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 9:08 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2023 at 9:09 pm by Bucky Ball.)
(July 23, 2023 at 8:56 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Totally false, Helios. Confused Militant Atheist Hitchenism. Come to India some time. You will see how Hindus, Muslims, and Christians alike venerate her as a Saint because of the wonderful love she showed to all of India's Poor. Hitchens is a clueless idiot who attacked her mainly because of her strong pro-life stance. He did not acknowledge even one iota of the love she showed and the sacrifices she made and the reason she is so greatly loved in India across all faiths. Even ardent Hindutva Nationalists - influenced by Savarkar, not Gandhiji - respect her for great works, well known here in India, unlike that clueless coward Hitchens. What did Hitchens ever do for India's Poor. Absolutely nothing, that's what.
The ONLY reason she was canonized was she raised a lot of money for he Vatican.
"The modest nun became known all over the world, and money poured in."
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 9:17 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2023 at 9:47 pm by Bucky Ball.)
(July 23, 2023 at 9:04 pm)Ravenshire Wrote:
(July 23, 2023 at 2:02 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Hymn4n, if you're so intent on going to Hell and becoming a Damned Soul by your own free choice, nobody can do anything about it.
God has nearly 10 Billion Souls to be concerned about and He will not wait forever, for you or for anyone else. He will give everyone chances, then move on.
Hymn4n,
He has a very busy god, who is challenged by the numbers he created. He can only *do* one at a time.
He's not really omnipotent and works from dawn to dusk.
Pissant likes to try to scare people, it's kind of his sexual fetish. He gets his rocks off by trying to scare people with religions bullshit. It makes him feel all superior.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 9:19 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2023 at 9:24 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
Quote:Totally false, Helios. Confused Militant Atheist Hitchenism. Come to India some time. You will see how Hindus, Muslims, and Christians alike venerate her as a Saint because of the wonderful love she showed to all of India's Poor. Hitchens is a clueless idiot who attacked her mainly because of her strong pro-life stance. He did not acknowledge even one iota of the love she showed and the sacrifices she made and the reason she is so greatly loved in India across all faiths. Even ardent Hindutva Nationalists - influenced by Savarkar, not Gandhiji - respect her for great works, well known here in India, unlike that clueless coward Hitchens. What did Hitchens ever do for India's Poor. Absolutely nothing, that's what.
Totally True XN and don't get my opinion from Hitchens( As if he was the first person to criticize her) I have actually done my own research before I had even heard of Hitchens so attacking him is rather a weak counter and just because other theists like her doesn't mean she wasn't a POS. So nice try (oh and Savarkar wasn't a good person either.)
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 9:52 pm
(July 23, 2023 at 8:46 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Yes, but I'd be happier in the Beatific Vision, as would you, my friend. To enter the Beatific Vision, the first and foremost thing necessary is to and accept the Will of God: God willed that I should die in infancy, Glory be to God. God willed that I should live as an adult, have the chance for Baptism, further merit and increased glory in Heaven - why would you not desire that - Glory be to God. That's how those desiring that Perfect Happiness should think and speak, and if they do, they're almost certainly going to go there.
You should know I am a Hopeful Semi-Universalist. I hold it possible, not certain but possible, that greater than 50% of the human race will ultimately be saved. Some Catholic Christian as well as Non-Catholic Christian Theologians have held this: I will explain the Scriptural and other reasons for it subsequently. It is something to be prayed and worked for, and that's what Christians do. We too could just live in money making and hedonism and be done with it, right? We don't because we love everyone and want everyone to enjoy Perfect Eternal Happiness.
The Scripture says in various places that God loves all, died for all, and really desires to save all - hence we reject Limited Atonement - but they should also do what is necessary for them to obtain that salvation. Receive Baptism, accept Christ as Savior, be contrite over past sins, etc.
But you said you would give anything for a higher place, so you feel regret, even though you have the Beatific Vision. God is not good enough for you.
You do know you would FLUNK out of any theology class.
Don't listen to him anyone. He claims to be a Catholic, but he doesn't really believe in the Catechism.
He's not really a Catholic.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 9:58 pm (This post was last modified: July 23, 2023 at 9:59 pm by Nishant Xavier.
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Angrboda, I could likewise accuse you of exaggerating the alleged evidence in favor of Atheism, e.g. the claim that there are alleged actual infinites that can be formed by successive addition, in a similar way. If you didn't agree that Isaiah 53 is a Clear Portrait of Jesus Christ - I and millions of others think so, including Louis Lapides, the devout Jew I mentioned, who became a Christian because of it - that's fine, I'm not accusing you of lying because of it, so perhaps it would be nice if you'd afford me the same courtesy. It is my honest conviction that Isaiah 53 does that, for solid reasons, which we will discuss further in the proper place; i.e. the thread on Divine Omniscience.
Before replying to Astreja and the others, let me just quote what Christian Nuns including but not limited to St. Mother Theresa's Missionaries of Charity do around the world, on All Continents, and readers can judge for themselves whether it's good or not. That's why I donate to and support them, because they're doing really good work. And I don't agree with those like Hitchens who attacked St. Mother Theresa without 1/100th of her accomplishments for the Poor.
Here is the report: https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2011...worldwide/ They do all of it: ministry to AIDS and leprosy Patients, education, missionary work, teaching, the works. They do great work and I can hardly understand how anyone could think otherwise, even a *Devout* Liberal Atheist. See below
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Almost unknown in the United States, the Indian-based Franciscan Missionaries of Mary, founded by Blessed Mary of the Passion in 1877, number 7,050. Combining Eucharistic contemplation with missionary activity, they serve on six continents and are most active in Asia and Europe. Unlike other leading women’s religious institutes, the institute displays on its website numerous pictures of members without habits. The institute’s membership declined by 189 between 2006 and 2008. The Franciscan Clarist Congregation, founded in 1888, is based in Kerala, the southwestern Indian state that has been the nation’s center of Catholicism since its evangelization by St. Thomas the Apostle. Canonized by Pope Benedict in 2008, St. Alphonsa of the Immaculate Conception (1910-46)—a Franciscan Clarist, and the nation’s first canonized saint—combined the spirituality of St. Francis with that of the Easternrite Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. The congregation, which serves the elderly, orphans, lepers, AIDS patients, and others in need, has 6,984 members—a gain of 62 between 2006 and 2008. The Congregation of the Mother of Carmel is another Indian religious institute largely unknown in the West. Founded in 1866 by Blessed Kuriakose Elias Chavara, the congregation is the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church’s first women’s institute. These active Carmelite sisters work in 500 schools and run 18 hospitals; their membership increased by 29 between 2006 and 2008 to 6,428.
RE: Abortion-Killing: The Silent Genocide: 2 Billion Deaths Victims Worldwide.
July 23, 2023 at 10:02 pm
(July 23, 2023 at 9:58 pm)Nishant Xavier Wrote: Angrboda, I could likewise accuse you of exaggerating the alleged evidence in favor of Atheism, e.g. the claim that there are alleged actual infinites that can be formed by successive addition, in a similar way. If you didn't agree that Isaiah 53 is a Clear Portrait of Jesus Christ - I and millions of others think so, including Louis Lapides, the devout Jew I mentioned, who became a Christian because of it - that's fine, I'm not accusing you of lying because of it, so perhaps it would be nice if you'd afford me the same courtesy. It is my honest conviction that Isaiah 53 does that, for solid reasons, which we will discuss further in the proper place; i.e. the thread on Divine Omniscience.
Before replying to Astreja and the others, let me just quote what Christian Nuns including but not limited to St. Mother Theresa's Missionaries of Charity do around the world, on All Continents, and readers can judge for themselves whether it's good or not. That's why I donate to and support them, because they're doing really good work. And I don't agree with those like Hitchens who attacked St. Mother Theresa without 1/100th of her accomplishments for the Poor.
Here is the report: https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2011...worldwide/ They do all of it: ministry to AIDS and leprosy Patients, education, missionary work, teaching, the works. They do great work and I can hardly understand how anyone could think otherwise, even a *Devout* Liberal Atheist. See below
Quote:
Almost unknown in the United States, the Indian-based Franciscan Missionaries of Mary, founded by Blessed Mary of the Passion in 1877, number 7,050. Combining Eucharistic contemplation with missionary activity, they serve on six continents and are most active in Asia and Europe. Unlike other leading women’s religious institutes, the institute displays on its website numerous pictures of members without habits. The institute’s membership declined by 189 between 2006 and 2008. The Franciscan Clarist Congregation, founded in 1888, is based in Kerala, the southwestern Indian state that has been the nation’s center of Catholicism since its evangelization by St. Thomas the Apostle. Canonized by Pope Benedict in 2008, St. Alphonsa of the Immaculate Conception (1910-46)—a Franciscan Clarist, and the nation’s first canonized saint—combined the spirituality of St. Francis with that of the Easternrite Syro-Malabar Catholic Church. The congregation, which serves the elderly, orphans, lepers, AIDS patients, and others in need, has 6,984 members—a gain of 62 between 2006 and 2008. The Congregation of the Mother of Carmel is another Indian religious institute largely unknown in the West. Founded in 1866 by Blessed Kuriakose Elias Chavara, the congregation is the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church’s first women’s institute. These active Carmelite sisters work in 500 schools and run 18 hospitals; their membership increased by 29 between 2006 and 2008 to 6,428.
Clearly you're impressed with quantity over quality.
Get those numbers up sisters.
Now get to work.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell