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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:32 pm
If you say so, it must be so.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:34 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:28 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Why not just say I'm a millionaire when I go in for a loan? I wish I was. Good enough for free will...right?
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Helped me. I guess it depends on what you're dealing with.
It just appears to me that every topic brought up by our new friend is overthought.
There are things that I have to think through and make lists but not every aspect of life.
Seems exhausting to me.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:41 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:28 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Does all this overthinking help with life in some way?
I don't understand the usefulness of all these labels and lists.
Yes, it helps.
Aside from being intellectually stimulating and entertaining to me, it also aids in communication (with like minded people), and also helps me think through things.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:42 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:29 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (September 20, 2023 at 12:23 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: For me, it's because I value truth and consistency and freewillnot existing seems to be the most plausible account of what is real and most consistent with materialism with what we know of the brain and things like the Libbet experiments.
I used to believe in freewill. Now I don't. I've become more left wing, more tolerant, less judgemental, and more forgiving as a result.
I didn't know a political ideology could do all that. My Little Pony made me the opposite of all those things.
Political ideology? Not believeing in free will isn't really a political ideology.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:52 pm
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2023 at 12:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Many people consider it central to our justice system. The handy rule for determining whether a given belief has become political (or religious) is whether or not a normative statement about some aspect of life flows from it. Rightly or wrongly. Ala "Free will doesn't exist, so we have far too many prisoners." Or "free will exists, so bad actors must be punished".
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 12:57 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:42 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: (September 20, 2023 at 12:29 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I didn't know a political ideology could do all that. My Little Pony made me the opposite of all those things.
Political ideology? Not believeing in free will isn't really a political ideology.
Left wing is a political ideology.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 1:22 pm
Lots of things can be reasonably associated to my atheism, but none of it can be directly connected as having formed from atheism.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 4:14 pm
(September 20, 2023 at 12:57 pm)Ahriman Wrote: (September 20, 2023 at 12:42 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Political ideology? Not believeing in free will isn't really a political ideology.
Left wing is a political ideology.
Yes. And not believing in freewill has made me more left wing.
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 4:35 pm
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That would suggest that the subject of free will is inherently political to you. My not believing in free will doesn't appear to have had the same effect.
It may be. I may be one of many people who don't feel that the issue of free will being resolved one way or another has any bearing on the proper way to organize government in error. Nevertheless, that's how I see it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Does your atheism come as a package?
September 20, 2023 at 5:52 pm
Some Christian theological traditions don't believe in free will either, God has predestined his chosen to heaven and the rest to damnation. The Westboro Baptist Church believes this.
It makes you feel more special because God has chosen you from the beginning out of billions throughout history who exist just to be damned to hellfire.
Hail Satan!  
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