2024 US Presidential Election

[TheWhiteMarten]

Got it, good safety measure against spammers.

I do have to ask, can you clarify what you mean by "last free pass?" I simply provided a link that was asked for, and as far as I am aware I have not made any other violation of forum rules.

If I am doing something wrong, just tell me so I don't have to walk on egg shells - there is no need for veiled threats and I have no intention to break any rule I've seen posted. I just have to know if there are more that aren't.

@Ravenshire, as I am not currently able to provide the links you asked for, the Washington Post has run a good article titled "Immigration - Trump vs. Biden on immigration: 12 charts comparing U.S. border security" that will provide the numbers, graphs, and sources they used to track the massive spike in illegal border crossings following Biden/Harris' policy of deregulating the border.

At the top of the page there is a link to the rules.  Read them.  Not really my job to be a babysitter though it seems that way sometimes.

That's fair.

So, what did you mean by "white?"

[TheWhiteMarten]

Citation?

There's also this:

Sen. JD Vance stood by his false claim that Haitian migrants were eating pets in Springfield, Ohio — an unsupported story that former President Donald Trump has also echoed on the debate stage and on social media.

During a Sunday interview on CNN, the Ohio senator and Republican vice presidential nominee said his evidence for this claim was "the first-hand accounts of my constituents." He then went on to defend the dissemination of this false story.

“The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes," Sen. Vance said. "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do."

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/15/nx-s1-511...rants-pets

Note that Vance actually implies that he created the story. You fell for it. Bite their hook, fish.

My apologies, I didn't realize you only meant that specific individual when you refered to them as "believing legals to be illegals."

[Silver]

Well, you're certainly no Gandalf.

[Ravenshire]

So, you got a source showing total numbers significantly different during Biden's term? Obama's? Clinton's? Hell, Carter's? Or, are you just gonna blow smoke?

Whatcha got?!?

Since we are specifically referring to the 3-year surge under the Biden/Harris adminstration it would seem silly to be bringing up presidents before even Trump's first term.

Via the Washington Post, illegal immigrations at the border spiked and hit record highs under President Biden between 2021 and 2023, averaging 2 million per year; even after re-enacting several Trump-era regulations border crossings it was only brought down to 1.3 million individuals over the first 3 quarters of the year.

Edit - I somehow *truly* managed to screw up the graph provided by the Office of Homeland Security, but here is the link to the article. i'll see if I cant find the graph elsewhere.

You're stuck on attempted border crossings. How many total illegals living here, and how did they get here? I'll bet you have no fucking clue, except for what the tangerine twit has spouted in your ear.

Long ago, when the better part of you was still drying on the bed linen, I worked in restaurants. Many of them could have been nearly cleared out on any given night by shouting "La Migra, La Migra." Illegal immigrants have always and will always be here, and no border wall will stop them, your fascist fantasies aside. They'll come in droves, as they always have. They'll get rounded up, and sent back, only to show up again.

You want a sound plan to reduce illegal immigration? Let's work together with Mexico to make them a wealthy nation. Encourage businesses there and partner with them so we aren't as reliant on China. It's not the zero sum game you Trumpeteers think it is. There are reasons we have so few illegal immigrants from Canada. Their country isn't poor.

But, your mango man-crush has you convinced that it's all about the southern border and those southern countries sending us their criminals. Do your own research and get to the truth. It's out there if you're willing to break out of your self imposed bubble of willful ignorance.

[TheWhiteMarten]

Well, you're certainly no Gandalf.

I'm not, though I do have quite the nice beard; black as coal though.

I'll pose it to you, because I'm at a lost - what do you think they meant by white?

[Silver]

Indeed, the highest percentage of criminality is domestic. Illegals aren't going to jeopardize getting caught by performing criminal acts.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Happy you asked.





Probably too late for you anyway. This was out there well before election day and yet you still voted for him.

That is the citation he is going to deport legal immigrants?

No. It'd be nice if you followed your own conversation. You asked Nudger for a citation to this point: "Moot point. The donald and vance have already said they think that people who came here legally are also illegals..who eat cats and dogs and geese.. or whatever."

You asked for a citation to this point -- you sectioned it off in your own quote -- so don't try the Gish Gallop bullshit now. There's your citation that the Trump/Vance ticket made that claim.

Now -- explain why that is so important to you. Be specific, and don't ask me another thing until you answer this question.

[Thumpalumpacus]

There's also this:


https://www.npr.org/2024/09/15/nx-s1-511...rants-pets

Note that Vance actually implies that he created the story. You fell for it. Bite their hook, fish.

My apologies, I didn't realize you only meant that specific individual when you refered to them as "believing legals to be illegals."

You need to read for content and not argumentation. I never referred to legals and illegals.

[The Grand Nudger]

What is fundamentally illegal is for Kamala Harris to say we're going to grant parole, not on a case by case basis, but to millions of illegal aliens who are coming to this country.  That does not magically make them legal because Kamala Harris waved the amnesty wand. That makes her border policy a disgrace, and I'm still going to call people illegal aliens.

-JD Vance.

Absolutely I’d revoke it and I’d bring them back to their country

-Donald Trump

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/18/g-s1-2366...pringfield
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/03...t-00182328

-cue bad faith bullshit ala "what is word?" Yes, Dear Leader and the Shillbilly both said they'd deport the legals too...with their mouths, on camera, in front of witnesses, at separate events...and more than once. It became a campaign plank.

[TheWhiteMarten]

You're stuck on attempted border crossings. How many total illegals living here, and how did they get here? I'll bet you have no fucking clue, except for what the tangerine twit has spouted in your ear.

As of July of last year, over 11 million undocumented immigrants are estimated to live in the United States, based upon the estimates of several government and private institutions. I myself live in a part of the United States with the highest rates of undocumented citizens due to our proximity to the border.

As I have already stated at multiple times, they have come here in a variety of ways; as you two or three have pointed out now, the lion's share come via over-expired work visas.

As *I* have stated at multiple times millions have also chosen the path of border crossing; either through smuggling at legal crossroads which end up in 40+ dead migrants being found in the back of a truck (my hometown) or through the mountains via cartel; either funded by foreign interests or, more often, through being sold as a slave in the United States once smuggled across the border - if you resist, your family back home tortured and killed.

The open border *does* *not* *work* - loose border policy leads to cartels that have more economic influence than medium-sized countries using them as drug mules and human slaves to be trafficked and exploited.

You talk down to me while defending a system that is exploiting millions of innocent people you claim to care about; let's just talk the facts and save the condemnation for when we have an actual leg up on the opponent.

You want a sound plan to reduce illegal immigration? Let's work together with Mexico to make them a wealthy nation.

Mexico isn't interested.

The way to make Mexico a "wealthier nation" is to cut off the drug routes between the Chihuahua Desert and at the points of entry where corruption has allowed a deluge of drugs to flood across the border. The current Mexican government of Obrador and Sheinbaum made a deal with cartels like Chapo's Sinaloa and decided that they were okay with the cartels as long as they weren't causing violence and made things look good.

That peace has only lasted so long, but that is a story for another time - the short of it is that Mexico's Social Democrat government has no interest in working with America and has been rebellious since the Obama administration; something we deal with a lot in Texas is Mexico denying us water down stream, leading to our peach and apricot industry completely dying out after over 150 years of production.

ut, your mango man-crush has you convinced that it's all about the southern border and those southern countries sending us their criminals. Do your own research and get to the truth. It's out there if you're willing to break out of your self imposed bubble of willful ignorance.

You realize the irony of telling me to "do my own research" while quoting up-to-date numbers on immigration since yours were half-a-decade out of date, right?