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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 11:36 am
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(February 12, 2025 at 11:13 am)arewethereyet Wrote: The rule is that if you find anything even vaguely negative about the US it must be true. Ask our resident pseudo-intellectual troll.
The whole DOGE thing is either paranoid delusion in action or, more likely, bullshit. Our government already has mechanisms to report and correct waste and corruption. However, Trump and Musk propose that the whole government is riddled with waste and corruption, and that they can save taxpayers a trillion dollars of their tax money by exposing and removing it.
Now for the bullshit interpretation. They really know there isn't that much waste and corruption, but they are saying so as a cover for their real motives, as propaganda. They want to selectively remove Democratic initiatives from spending approved by Congress. They are, in fact, trying to delegitimize the whole Democratic party by saying that any Democratic spending is mere waste and corruption. No wonder they are not going about their efforts by legal means, through Congress where such efforts can be debated and approved by the careful weighing of evidence. No wonder they call the courts corrupt for trying to stop them.
They are fascists after all.
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 11:40 am
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 12:03 pm
How do you know Musk lied ......He opened his mouth and words came out . Remember when he baselessly accused a cave diver of being a podophile for criticising his stupid sub pod idea and even went so far to hire a PI to harass the guy.
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 12:07 pm
You have to Google the pics and video of the press conference in the Oval Office where Musk is standing and Trump sitting behind his desk while Elon's son digs in his nose and wipes his hand on the germaphobes desk. Priceless. Trump is so far to the other side of his chair that he is nearly sitting on the arm to get as far away as he can.
The desk will have to be either sterilized or replaced.
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 12:19 pm
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 4:28 pm
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Donald Trump 'babysitting' Elon Musk's son in the Oval Office becomes an instant meme
Fingers crossed.
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 4:58 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 11:36 am)Alan V Wrote: They really know there isn't that much waste and corruption
How do you know this? Do you pay a lot of attention to the Office of Management and Budget? Do you have the list of USAID projects at home?
Or is it more of a faith-based conclusion? Like "trust what your government tells you."
No one should trust Elon. On the other hand, you can't decide what's true based on the fact that you don't like Elon.
There should be receipts.
As a small example, they are claiming that USAID bought Chelsea Clinton a big expensive house. Once upon a time there were people called "journalists" who could have followed the money and figured out whether this was true or not. Now we mostly have partisan talking heads who parrot the talking points of one side or the other.
The history of USAID is full of questionable programs. Taking a hard look at what they do is just good sense. It would be better if we could do it without partisan hate-based grandstanding on both sides, but that's what US politics is these days.
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 5:00 pm
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There are receipts. Elmo wants to get rid of them. There used to be a guy you could demand them from. Trump fired them.
There are still journalists, lets ask them..shall we?
Quote:No, Chelsea Clinton didn't receive $84M from USAID
Quote:A graph that social media users claimed showed Chelsea Clinton received $84 million from USAID is actually a reference to the Clinton Foundation. Further, government data from fiscal years 2008-24 showed that USAID had not given more than $7.5 million to that foundation. Finally, tax returns show Chelsea Clinton does not receive any compensation for her work at the foundation.
Quote:WorldNetDaily, a far-right news outlet known for publishing conspiracy theories, posted a story about the rumor, citing what appeared to be a since-deleted X post from tech mogul Elon Musk. Based on the embedded post in the WorldNetDaily story, Musk appears to have quoted a post claiming Chelsea Clinton was "casually taking home $84 million" with "Wow." Snopes could not find a screenshot or archived link verifying that Musk posted this, but we found quote posts and replies to a deleted post from Musk discussing this claim.
In short, Chelsea Clinton has not received $84 million from USAID. The graph shared purporting to show how money flows to "Bill Hillary & Chelsea Clinton" is a reference to the Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation, not Chelsea Clinton specifically. A search of tax records and the U.S. government's spending tracker found that Chelsea Clinton has not personally received any money from USAID since 2008 — the first year records are available online — and that she receives no salary from the only Clinton-related initiative that has received money from USAID. Thus, we rate this claim as false.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chelse...ion-usaid/
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 5:06 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 4:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote: (February 12, 2025 at 11:36 am)Alan V Wrote: They really know there isn't that much waste and corruption
How do you know this? Do you pay a lot of attention to the Office of Management and Budget? Do you have the list of USAID projects at home?
Or is it more of a faith-based conclusion? Like "trust what your government tells you."
No one should trust Elon. On the other hand, you can't decide what's true based on the fact that you don't like Elon.
There should be receipts.
As a small example, they are claiming that USAID bought Chelsea Clinton a big expensive house. Once upon a time there were people called "journalists" who could have followed the money and figured out whether this was true or not. Now we mostly have partisan talking heads who parrot the talking points of one side or the other.
The history of USAID is full of questionable programs. Taking a hard look at what they do is just good sense. It would be better if we could do it without partisan hate-based grandstanding on both sides, but that's what US politics is these days. No they did not buy her a freaking house and ironically your the talking head spewing Musk's bullshit
It's amazing you will embrace any diabolical conspiracy except the one right in front of your face 
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RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread: Phase II
February 12, 2025 at 5:16 pm
(February 12, 2025 at 4:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote: No one should trust Elon.
Yet here you are, eliding even the possibility that what he retweeted might just possibly be bullshit. You've no standing to lecture anyone about rigorous skepticism even as you flaunt your own gullibility.
(February 12, 2025 at 4:58 pm)Belacqua Wrote: As a small example, they are claiming that USAID bought Chelsea Clinton a big expensive house. Once upon a time there were people called "journalists" who could have followed the money and figured out whether this was true or not. Now we mostly have partisan talking heads who parrot the talking points of one side or the other.
The story has already been debunked, as I linked above and which link you clearly ignored. The fact that you are apparently unaware of this debunking shows how open you are to countervailing facts.
Sit down and read a little, child. You might even learn something.
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