Christians: A Question

[fr0d0]

You're still missing the point. This is God doing the sacrificing. Of God. Humans aren't sacrificed. Humans are liberated.

chipan's reasoning is consistent.

[Godscreated]

It doesn't matter if you think he was "perfect." He was still a man. It also doesn't matter if he was willing. If you think it was a sacrifice, willing or not, pick one. Duh.

I can not pick an option that is semi correct, and I do not believe you would either, read many of your posts and you can be a stickler for facts. Know I will try and explain, please bear with me. Jesus made this decision before creation, this was not an idea thought up by God on the fly. The omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent God described in scriptures would and did have a plan in place and Jesus being part of the Godhead accepted that he would be the sacrifice to redeem mankind. Also, God required that man bring before him the most perfect lambs for a sacrifice but, being an imperfect world the lambs were imperfect as well and so the sacrifice was limited. Now this is where Jesus comes in, being not of this world (righteous) he could and was the perfect sacrifice thus, he was an unlimited sacrifice and covered the sins of all mankind. This is why it is important to me that Jesus was willing and perfect for without either one his death would have been meaningless. Shell B I do understand what you're saying about voting and I'm trying to explain why I can't, your 1st option does not represent the Christ I believe in. I will say this, Jesus was fully human, he also was fully God,and in that there was no human sacrifice made.

[fr0d0]

Agreed

[Shell B]

It still does not make sense. People had to "sacrifice" animals. In reality, all they did was kill them. They did the same with Jesus. The "sacrifice" is no different, apart from the fact that they couldn't eat Jesus afterward.

[Faith No More]

That's probably a good thing. I'm sure Jesus was a bit stringy.

[fr0d0]

People didn't sacrifice Jesus though Shell. They killed him with no reference to sacrifice. The Jews that allegedly presented him for criminal judgement weren't sacrificing him. God, knowing they would kill him, let his physical manifestation be subject to it... therefore sacrificing himself.

[Godscreated]

People didn't sacrifice Jesus though Shell. They killed him with no reference to sacrifice. The Jews that allegedly presented him for criminal judgement weren't sacrificing him. God, knowing they would kill him, let his physical manifestation be subject to it... therefore sacrificing himself.

Absolutely true.

[Shell B]

People didn't sacrifice Jesus though Shell. They killed him with no reference to sacrifice. The Jews that allegedly presented him for criminal judgement weren't sacrificing him. God, knowing they would kill him, let his physical manifestation be subject to it... therefore sacrificing himself.

Still doesn't make sense, Frodo. What about the animals? They were just "killed" by humans. So was Jesus.

I'm sorry, but there is no getting around the fact that Christians just do not want god to have been okay with a human sacrifice. If god made the sacrifice to cleanse people of sin (or whatever) how is that a sacrifice? In fact, it is not really a sacrifice at all, given that the rest of him just went back to heaven. Without the human sacrifice aspect of it, it's a shitty story with more plot holes than Twilight.

[Godscreated]

People didn't sacrifice Jesus though Shell. They killed him with no reference to sacrifice. The Jews that allegedly presented him for criminal judgement weren't sacrificing him. God, knowing they would kill him, let his physical manifestation be subject to it... therefore sacrificing himself.

Still doesn't make sense, Frodo. What about the animals? They were just "killed" by humans. So was Jesus.

I'm sorry, but there is no getting around the fact that Christians just do not want god to have been okay with a human sacrifice. If god made the sacrifice to cleanse people of sin (or whatever) how is that a sacrifice? In fact, it is not really a sacrifice at all, given that the rest of him just went back to heaven. Without the human sacrifice aspect of it, it's a shitty story with more plot holes than Twilight.

Shell if the people had truly believed that Christ was the Son of God they would not have sacrificed him, look at Peter he tried to defend Christ and Christ stopped him, why because Christ knew that he must go to the cross, even Peter did not understand Christ must suffer and die, until after the resurrection. Look at it another way, the animals that were sacrificed before Christ were humanly, that is quickly killed, before they were used as a burnt offering, Christ suffered tremendously before he was put on the cross. Man sacrificed imperfect animals to cover their sin, only God could have sacrificed Christ the perfect One for man's sin.

[Minimalist]

He was still a man.

That would mean that he took a dump with his morning paper, G-C. Try to get that image out of your mind.