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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 10:40 pm
(January 6, 2012 at 10:28 pm)Shell B Wrote: Furthermore, you will need to take into account that rape used to go unreported as it was embarrassing and even dangerous for a woman to admit a man forced her to have sex with him. Even today it goes unreported. That is something I know for a fact. I like facts, chip.
I know more than one woman who has been raped in her life, and did not report it. I have no reason to believe that this is any different than in the past, though the rates of reporting has probably changed due to societies attitudes towards rape victims.
Given the biblical attitude towards rape victims, I seriously doubt it was frequently reported at all. Which, incidentally, removes one of the incentives to not rape.
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 10:48 pm
yes, i know actual people who take birth control just in case they get raped. not because they are sexually active. it's not readily available? i know of no one who has had a problem getting birth control. i know quite a few who are taking it. i'm sick of doing all this research and in the end you'll say something like "well back then it wasn't that there was less rape but that it was reported less." there's nothing i can bring to you to convince you so i'm not going to.
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I'd like to know what chipan's mother did to him - I don't think I've ever read so much disdain for women in one thread before.
It's sad really.
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 11:07 pm
i don't have any disdain towards women
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Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Then perhaps you would do well to read over your posts in this thread, because that's how you're coming across to me.
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 11:13 pm
(January 6, 2012 at 10:48 pm)chipan Wrote: yes, i know actual people who take birth control just in case they get raped. not because they are sexually active. it's not readily available? i know of no one who has had a problem getting birth control.
Come on, chip. Try to keep up. It was not readily available. Therefore, rates of birth control use now have no bearing on rape stats through history.
Quote:i know quite a few who are taking it.
Duh.
Quote:i'm sick of doing all this research and in the end you'll say something like "well back then it wasn't that there was less rape but that it was reported less." there's nothing i can bring to you to convince you so i'm not going to.
All this research? What the hell? You haven't done an ounce of research. I have not seen a single quote from a reliable source. You have not even mentioned a reliable source. You are literally making this up as you go. There is something you can bring to convince me . . . evidence.
That was not my argument, chip. I said that would have to be taken into account even if you had statistics, which you do not. Numbers, chip. We are talking about numbers. If all you have is "women got married to the men they fucked," you have nothing.
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Shelly B Wrote:Come on, chip. Try to keep up. It was not readily available. Therefore, rates of birth control use now have no bearing on rape stats through history.
sorry for misreading. and reguardless of how readily available it is, people would not have used it just in case they get raped.
Shelly B Wrote:All this research? What the hell? You haven't done an ounce of research. I have not seen a single quote from a reliable source. You have not even mentioned a reliable source. You are literally making this up as you go. There is something you can bring to convince me . . . evidence.
i'm talking about the thread where you said Jesus was a human sacrifice and i put all this biblical referances that you just ignored. the jews did not sacrifice him for their sins, they didn't even believe he was the son of God. the only ones who believed he was were his desciples and not those involved with his exicution. that's what i'm talking about. you just disreguarded it ignoring my references. so, i've given up trying to convince you of anything.
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 6, 2012 at 11:40 pm
(January 6, 2012 at 10:48 pm)chipan Wrote: there's nothing i can bring to you to convince you so i'm not going to.
That is the smartest thing he's said thus far.
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 7, 2012 at 10:06 am
Is this the part where we bring in the stats for incest by fathers of daughters?
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
January 7, 2012 at 10:34 am
I don't think it is necessary. Chip is making these things up in his mind. If he were able to see the difference between knowing and guessing, he would be all right.
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