Help with a Christian girlfriend

[Minimalist]

Why is it that noone even attempts to refute my claims?

And there is one extra reason why I don't want to be an atheist; they seem to be awfully insulting for no reason, and when challenged to test logic refuse to respond. I refuse to sacrifice my common sense.

Because you're an asshole and not worth the effort.

[organiccornflake]

You could try to prove the positive morality of homosexuality, or something of that nature. Unless you dont disagree with me, but that's fine too

[Minimalist]

What part of "you're a fucking theistic fool and not worth anyone's effort" is giving you the most trouble?

Get it out of your head that you are unique. You're not. You're the same as every other jesus freak who falls through our portal sprinkling jesus dust around.

You've just caught me in a bad mood and I'm in no mood to even play with you.

[Zen Badger]

You could try to prove the positive morality of homosexuality, or something of that nature. Unless you dont disagree with me, but that's fine too

First up, what two consenting adults do with each other is their own damn business and no one else's. Period.

Second, don't hijack some one else's thread with your half arsed justifications for your red necked homophobic bigotry.
Start yer own bloody thread on the subject and we can all rip you a new arsehole there.

[KichigaiNeko]

Give up 'snow flake'... your arguments are old, tired, petty minded and of no value other-than to expose you as a small-minded bigoted fool who perhaps should have been drowned at birth.

The bad mood comes from idiots like you 'snowflake' thankfully like snowflakes you are short lived.

[Minimalist]

a small-minded bigoted fool who perhaps should have been drowned at birth.

[twocompulsive]

Hi - I decided to make an account /post this because I ve been having some serious conflicts of belief, and needed somewhere to express my problems. Now I met my current girlfriend a while ago, and while I always knew she was religious, I didn t realize quite how strong her convictions were - she comes from a very traditional family and church - no homosexuals - no sex before marriage or divorce - no alcohol - the whole shebang really. But whenever I ask her about these beliefs and why she believes as she does she states that it s because it s been drilled into her for such a long time. Now I don t know if this is because she is unwilling to talk about her beliefs or she s embarrassed or what it is. I m not trying to convert her to atheism I simply want to understand why she continues to believe these things if it really is because they ve been drilled into her. I love her dearly but it s getting harder and harder to put aside said beliefs and I really don t know what to do anymore. any help / opinions would be greatly appreciated !

You are seeing someone whose mindset is
radically different to yours yet you still love her
[ presumably the feeling is mutual ] so just bear
that in mind because the foundation here is solid or
at least for now so that is something positive. She has
had greater access to her family who she no doubt loves
as well but going up against that is a struggle of Herculean
proportions. So she does not wish to discuss particular issues
then respect that decision and let it be. Over time she may then
become more open to both referencing them and even challenging
them too. But for now I would urge caution and just enjoy the love that
you give each other. Take one day at a time - no need to be unnecessarily
hasty here now. By the way you can not convert to atheism : is not a religion

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Why is it that no one even attempts to refute my claims ?

And there is one extra reason why I don t want to be an atheist they seem to be awfully insulting for no reason and when challenged to test logic refuse to respond. I refuse to sacrifice my common sense.

You will not get insults from me cornflake
as I do not believe in them since once employed
indicate the argument is no more. So let me engage
with you more respectfully than my fellow non believers

Regarding homosexuality : sexual orientation is determined
at birth and is not something one chooses therefore. The physical
act of sodomy is not exclusive to gays and many staight men engage in
it when having intercourse with straight women. Is true that it is not conducive
to procreation but this would only be an issue if actually pre dominant amongst the
general population but it is not however. Agree with you about alcohol : not the drug itself
the misuse of it that is the issue. On marriage : I fully agree that once you are you should stay the
course. But it would be far better if it was actually abolished since we are not hardwired for monogamy
and that is the pre condition for it unfortunately. Furthermore you are not going to love someone one iota more
because you have a piece of paper and some metal on your finger. What determines compatibility is trust love and
understanding and not any thing else. Welcome to the forum by the way. Hope you stay here. But if you prefer to engage
with those who do not share your mindset however without being insulted I can recommend rational skepticism - there is strict
moderation against any insults of members which is enforced - furthermore it is the best rational site on the net bar none so check it out

[ElDinero]

Common sense reason: 1. The pervasive act of homosexuality is a stepping stone to much worse sexual acts.
2. Homosexuality prevents pro-creation
3. Homosexuality highly increases chances of catching a disease

When are you going to get to the common sense part? I just see a load of stupid bullshit there.

1. Prove that homosexuality is a stepping stone to 'worse' sexual acts and define what these acts are.
2. Explain why that makes it morally wrong. And please don't be so stupid as to go down the road of 'if everyone was gay then the species would die out'. It isn't true and will never happen anyway. Just pre-empting that, because you seem like the sort of guy who trots out arguments I've heard a hundred times before.
3. Prove it. Also nothing to do with whether or not it's morally right, even if it is true, which I'm not convinced it is.

[organiccornflake]

You will not get insults from me cornflake
as I do not believe in them since once employed
indicate the argument is no more. So let me engage
with you more respectfully than my fellow non believers

You have no idea how much it says that there is an atheist willing to discuss his beliefs. You show that atheists can be sensible, civilized people.

Regarding homosexuality : sexual orientation is determined
at birth and is not something one chooses therefore.

I disagree with this statement. Please provide evidence for it.

The physical

act of sodomy is not exclusive to gays and many staight men engage in
it when having intercourse with straight women.

Sodomy is condemned biblicaly either way; although "sodomy" in the bible means "any ultra-taboo sexually pervasive act."
And although it is true that straight couples can commit sodomy; homosexuals have too by simple being homosexual.

Is true that it is not conducive to procreation but this would only be an issue if actually pre dominant amongst the general population but it is not however.

Not now; no. Give it another 400 years.

Agree with you about alcohol : not the drug itself
the misuse of it that is the issue.

For sure.

On marriage : I fully agree that once you are you should stay the
course. But it would be far better if it was actually abolished since we are not hardwired for monogamy
and that is the pre condition for it unfortunately.

It would seem as if we are hardwired to have sex with everyone around us. However; that does not show love, compassion, or self control in any capacity.

Furthermore you are not going to love someone one iota more
because you have a piece of paper and some metal on your finger. What determines compatibility is trust love and
understanding and not any thing else.

I agree with you somewhat on this. You can love someone before you marry them; however, god does not recognize your relationship before you swear vows before him. Marriage is more about god than us.

Welcome to the forum by the way. Hope you stay here. But if you prefer to engage
with those who do not share your mindset however without being insulted I can recommend rational skepticism - there is strict
moderation against any insults of members which is enforced - furthermore it is the best rational site on the net bar none so check it out

Thanks! Im for sure joining that one up. Im making an account right now; you will find me there under the same username as here.

[Erinome]

You could try to prove the positive morality of homosexuality, or something of that nature. Unless you dont disagree with me, but that's fine too

Positive morality? Pray tell, what is the positive morality of heterosexuality.

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The last thing this world needs is more xtians, so I'm all for them quitting having sex, and all for gays having sex. The bible also says the same thing about eating shrimp, and you typing on the Sabbath. Prick! If you think there's not as much women and babies in this world with AIDS, you're an idiot. My best friend/husband died after being diagnosed positive for 20 years. He was a great person, and gay, and your bible is the biggest piece of shit on the face of this planet, and the only thing that even comes close to being as shitty as the bible are the people who fucking wield it like a sword to condemn everyone who isn't up to par with the morals of barbaric desert wanderers.

Go fuck yourself.