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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:02 am
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:03 am
(January 8, 2012 at 3:02 am)chipan Wrote: http://www.wnd.com/2004/07/25852/
WorldNet Daily? No one around here is going to take that seriously, it's not an objective source. A scientific journal would do.
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:07 am
(January 8, 2012 at 2:54 am)chipan Wrote: well if it is constant, then how come you can see 40 billion lightyears of the observable universe when it's supposedly only almost 14 billion years old? Triangulation (a.k.a. parallax) and...
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:13 am
(January 8, 2012 at 2:54 am)chipan Wrote: well if it is constant, then how come you can see 40 billion lightyears of the observable universe when it's supposedly only almost 14 billion years old?
Because light comes at us in all directions and the universe is bigger in light years than what light has had time to travel.
So, if the earth were displaced a few billion light years in any direction, than that few billion light years would become invisible to us while another portion of the universe would suddenly become visible.
This also means that light can never go from one end of the univrse to the other given its current size and rate of accelerating expansion.
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:36 am
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(January 8, 2012 at 2:54 am)chipan Wrote: well if it is constant, then how come you can see 40 billion lightyears of the observable universe when it's supposedly only almost 14 billion years old?
Honey ...go back to school. Then you would understand how silly that statement is.
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 3:57 am
(January 8, 2012 at 2:54 am)chipan Wrote: well if it is constant, then how come you can see 40 billion lightyears of the observable universe when it's supposedly only almost 14 billion years old?
From wikipedia http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&...jbT7Xi65TQ
Specifically....
The age of the universe is about 13.75 billion years, but due to the expansion of space we are observing objects that were originally much closer but are now considerably farther away (as defined in terms of cosmological proper distance, which is equal to the comoving distance at the present time) than a static 13.75 billion light-years distance.[2] The diameter of the observable universe is estimated to be about 28 billion parsecs (93 billion light-years),[3] putting the edge of the observable universe at about 46–47 billion light-years away.[4][5]
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 10:40 am
(January 8, 2012 at 3:57 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (January 8, 2012 at 2:54 am)chipan Wrote: well if it is constant, then how come you can see 40 billion lightyears of the observable universe when it's supposedly only almost 14 billion years old?
From wikipedia http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&...jbT7Xi65TQ
Specifically....
The age of the universe is about 13.75 billion years, but due to the expansion of space we are observing objects that were originally much closer but are now considerably farther away (as defined in terms of cosmological proper distance, which is equal to the comoving distance at the present time) than a static 13.75 billion light-years distance.[2] The diameter of the observable universe is estimated to be about 28 billion parsecs (93 billion light-years),[3] putting the edge of the observable universe at about 46–47 billion light-years away.[4][5]
i'm not talking about any of that. how about after all the expansion once the universe is at it's state and the stars around the universe are created, how did light from those stars 40 billion lightyears away reach us?
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Wasting your time, Zen. It's like trying to explain radar to your dog.
To put this in context, you're giving advanced scientific principles to a guy who thinks a dead jewish carpenter came back to life and rose bodily to "heaven."
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Wasting your time, Zen. It's like trying to explain radar to your dog.
To put this in context, you're giving advanced scientific principles to a guy who thinks a dead jewish carpenter came back to life and rose bodily to "heaven."
and you believe life put itself together. you can make anything sound crazy if you word it right.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
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RE: Easy arguments against the Bible, and religion as a whole
January 8, 2012 at 1:03 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 10:40 am)chipan Wrote: i'm not talking about any of that. how about after all the expansion once the universe is at it's state and the stars around the universe are created, how did light from those stars 40 billion lightyears away reach us?
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