Islam true religion?

[DeistPaladin]

As for John 14:6, no that doesn't mean anything. Same thing can be said about Moses. Every prophet at his time was the way, truth and life and no came to god almighty except through them.

That's a stretch.

Prophets are not themselves "THE WAY" or "THE TRUTH". These are people who (supposedly) show "the way" or tell us "the truth". It's the not so subtle distinction between being a messenger and being the message.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus, or the character represented in this story said to be Jesus, is claiming not just to know or to tell us what is the truth. He is claiming that he IS the way, he IS the truth, he IS the life. To claim no one comes to God except through him is to further claim to be not just a prophet but the very intercessor for the divine.

Gospel of John doesn't show Jesus claimed divnity.

What Gospel of John did you read?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ... (verse 14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 10:38 ...the Father is in me, and I in him.

10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

20:28-29 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

In sum, don't use another religion's scripture to prove your own religion.

Also you say Church was established by those who knew Jesus.

I said "allegedly". Many times in fact. I don't believe Jesus ever existed. If he did exist, we have no clue what the real story was.

Not really. We don't know who wrote the gospels so you can't say they knew Jesus.

I agree. I'm not talking about what I believe. I'm talking about what the official story is.

Muhammad was a reliable man

Which we know how...?

who said what Jesus said.

...and he knew what Jesus really said how...?

How is Islam jackshit?

I said Islam offers jackshit for evidence (which is to say, offers nothing).

[Minimalist]

Because I'm a rational person and I don't buy the first fairy tale I'm told as a child?

And I dont need your damn permission to be taken seriously.

I'm about to message Rayaan for some help debunking you guys.

I simply cannot answer 10 people at one time.

You can't answer one at a time. About all you can do is keep insisting that your fucking bullshit holy book is true.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

You mean I'm a mature enough to give arguments to why Islam is the true religion of Allah the Almighty

All you have actually shown is a profoundly ignorant and closed mind,incapable of even considering the possibility of error. Your stubborn ignorance is an insult to Islam, which cherishes learning. You would not recognise a rational argument if it landed on your prayer rug.



Mature? Well,I guess, if you are rather weak- minded 14 year old child. The impression you give is one who has not yet mastered independent thought.Instead you parrot the teachings of some third rate madrasa,stuck in the seventh century,over and over again.It's really quite tedious.

[Zakir_250]

Actually Zakir Naik has refuted this claim. Jesus was just showing his disciples not to worry because he was the way, truth and life like any prophet was.

John 14:6 means nothing. Zakir Naik has more knowledge than any Christian on their scripture.

What Gospel of John did you read? = John 5:30 where Jesus says he can't do anything by himself. That Gospel of John.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

First verses is a mistranslation because Unitarian Christians have refuted this. For sake of argument, it still doesn't prove he is god. It just says he pre-existed but we all did in god's foreknowledge.

John 8:58 = So? He just pre-existed how is that a claim of god.

John 10:30 = He is talking about purpose not entitiy. For example, say if me and my dad were doctors. I said me and him are one, I don't mean in essence but in purpose and profession. Same with Jesus (PBUH). For scripture evidence for this, go to john 17:21 where Jesus says him and disciples are one but I bet you won't clam they are god. Anyway, read John 10:34 where he denies this claim by saying it's normal if I claim to be god because other people claimed to be god in the OT which shows Jesus wasn't being literal.

As for Thomas, other people were called Lord. Why do you have to apply it to Jesus only.

In sum, don't use another religion's scripture to prove your own religion. = I can actually. My book tells me to go back to the Bible to see the truth and falsehood of it.

I said "allegedly". Many times in fact. I don't believe Jesus ever existed. If he did exist, we have no clue what the real story was. = But theres more evidence for him than Alexander the Great or any famous historical person.


I agree. I'm not talking about what I believe. I'm talking about what the official story is. = What's the 'official' story according to you.


Which we know how...? = Because his enemies said so. Also his companions.

[Cyberman]

But theres more evidence for him than Alexander the Great or any famous historical person.

Ladies and gentlemen, you may fire at will.

[Zakir_250]

But theres more evidence for him than Alexander the Great or any famous historical person.

Here we go again...

What? It's true. 90% of Biblical scholars agree Jesus (Peace be Upon him) existed. Bart Ehrman says so as well and he is very very respected and knowledgable.

[Phil]

But theres more evidence for him than Alexander the Great or any famous historical person.

Ladies and gentlemen, you may fire at will.

Does anybody notice how the muslloholic is using well debated Christian bullshit? It is my opinion that he or she is a rather bad poe being done by a Christian in order to make real musloholics look dumb. Truth is there is no need.

[Zakir_250]

But theres more evidence for him than Alexander the Great or any famous historical person.

Ladies and gentlemen, you may fire at will.

Does anybody notice how the muslloholic is using well debated Christian bullshit? It is my opinion that he or she is a rather bad poe being done by a Christian in order to make real musloholics look dumb. Truth is there is no need.

not really. I just happen to be familiar with christian arguments because I debate them. That's like me saying some here are christians because of the argument 'muhammed came 600 years later so he is unreliable' which is a christian style argument. Any muslim should know about the bible because there is still truth in it.

[Cyberman]

Perhaps if I put it this way: if there really was all this evidence for JC ever having been a real person, I don't think there'd be an atheist in the world who would dismiss it. Contrary to popular belief we're not all in the habit of responding to every argument with "no it isn't" or similar just for the sheer bloody-mindedness of it.

[Zakir_250]

Perhaps if I put it this way: if there really was all this evidence for JC ever having been a real person, I don't think there'd be an atheist in the world who would dismiss it. Contrary to popular belief we're not all in the habit of responding to every argument with "no it isn't" or similar just for the sheer bloody-mindedness of it.

I think there's more evidence for Muhammad than Jesus. I can understand why doubt his existence because of virgin birth. However there is enough evidence in islam to show that realy happened. Whatever the quran says, I will stick to it. Anyway, I love them both and will not say anything bad about them. They both play a huge role in humanity.