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Bible contradictions?
RE: Bible contradictions?
Quote:Sure I just pulled that out of my ass but you can't disprove it, can you?


We don't have to "disprove" anything. The people with the invisible sky daddy have the burden of proof to demonstrate that he exists.

They never quite grasp that fundamental concept.
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RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Sure I just pulled that out of my ass but you can't disprove it, can you?


We don't have to "disprove" anything. The people with the invisible sky daddy have the burden of proof to demonstrate that he exists.

They never quite grasp that fundamental concept.

Nuh-uh! Lalalalalalalala! I'm not listening! Lalalalalalala...
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RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We don't have to "disprove" anything. The people with the invisible sky daddy have the burden of proof to demonstrate that he exists.

For thousands of years of human history it had been apparent there is a God. It is up to atheists to prove that billions of people's presuppositions have been wrong. That means providing evidence for how life originated. Occam's Razor says if the earth looks designed it probably is, so it is up to naysayers to prove otherwise. You personally may need more evidence, but general logic says atheists bear some burden of proof in a debate setting. Not seeing God does not mean He does not exist--it just means the assumed naturalistic point of view has not been validated. You assume natural things are all that exist and ask for natural proof of God. Christians feel that they could not contemplate spiritual things unless spiritual things did in fact exist. Since God is by nature spiritual, all we need (and expect) is spiritual evidence. Christians call that Faith, which is sort of like a feeling--but not just a feeling. It is possible to decipher between Faith and feeling. Atheists believe the unreliability of feelings makes them all worthless--and hope to hell they are. Christians believe feelings are God's creation and his way of communicating with us--and are glad to heaven they discovered such. There is one truth in this world, and sometimes its worth suspending worldly reason to get it.

Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."
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RE: Bible contradictions?
Quote:For thousands of years of human history it had been apparent there is a God.


Horseshit.

Where is your evidence?
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RE: Bible contradictions?
Undeceived Wrote:There is one truth in this world, and sometimes its worth suspending worldly reason to get it.

Translation: Just stop thinking so hard and you will become a Christian.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Bible contradictions?


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RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm)Undeceived Wrote: For thousands of years of human history it had been apparent there is a God. It is up to atheists to prove that billions of people's presuppositions have been wrong.

Exactly. If lots of people believe it, it must be true by the principle of argumentum ad popularum. I don't know what that means but it sounds like Latin so it must be true. Checkmate atheists!

Quote:That means providing evidence for how life originated. Occam's Razor says if the earth looks designed it probably is, so it is up to naysayers to prove otherwise.

I say the same thing when I look up at a cloud and see a ship or a bunny rabbit or some other identifiable shape. The Lord must be shaping the cloud for it to look like that. You don't think it's just me seeing patterns in random formations and being influenced by confirmation bias do you? Checkmate atheists!

Quote:Not seeing God does not mean He does not exist--it just means the assumed naturalistic point of view has not been validated.

Exactly. Argumentum ad Ignorantum. Another logical principle using Latin sounding words! Checkmate atheists!

Quote:You assume natural things are all that exist and ask for natural proof of God. Christians feel that they could not contemplate spiritual things unless spiritual things did in fact exist.

Another brilliant point! We couldn't think of something unless that something actually existed! Brilliant non sequitur.

Quote:There is one truth in this world, and sometimes its worth suspending worldly reason to get it.

Or as my signature quote says, you must pluck out the eye of reason to see by faith.
"You don't need facts when you got Jesus." -Pastor Deacon Fred, Landover Baptist Church

™: True Christian is a Trademark of the Landover Baptist Church. I have no affiliation with this fine group of True Christians ™ because I can't afford their tithing requirements but would like to be. Maybe someday the Lord will bless me with enough riches that I am able to. 

And for the lovers of Poe, here's your winking smiley:  Wink
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RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm)Undeceived Wrote:
(March 12, 2012 at 1:19 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We don't have to "disprove" anything. The people with the invisible sky daddy have the burden of proof to demonstrate that he exists.

For thousands of years of human history it had been apparent there is a God. It is up to atheists to prove that billions of people's presuppositions have been wrong. That means providing evidence for how life originated. Occam's Razor says if the earth looks designed it probably is, so it is up to naysayers to prove otherwise. You personally may need more evidence, but general logic says atheists bear some burden of proof in a debate setting. Not seeing God does not mean He does not exist--it just means the assumed naturalistic point of view has not been validated. You assume natural things are all that exist and ask for natural proof of God. Christians feel that they could not contemplate spiritual things unless spiritual things did in fact exist. Since God is by nature spiritual, all we need (and expect) is spiritual evidence. Christians call that Faith, which is sort of like a feeling--but not just a feeling. It is possible to decipher between Faith and feeling. Atheists believe the unreliability of feelings makes them all worthless--and hope to hell they are. Christians believe feelings are God's creation and his way of communicating with us--and are glad to heaven they discovered such. There is one truth in this world, and sometimes its worth suspending worldly reason to get it.

Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."

Meaningless, utterly meaningless, word salad.

PS it was "only apparent for thousands of years that there is a god" because ancient people couldn't think of better explanations for stuff.

The rest I'm not even going to try and take apart, it is just waffle.

You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.

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RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm)Undeceived Wrote: You personally may need more evidence, but general logic says atheists bear some burden of proof in a debate setting.
If atheists have the burden of proof in a debate setting.
Therefore;
The christian has the burden of proof to disprove all other conceived deities equally.

Its only one god difference.. think about it. But the opening statement is likely to be longer than war and peace to achieve this.
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RE: Bible contradictions?
(March 12, 2012 at 2:38 pm)Undeceived Wrote: For thousands of years of human history it had been apparent there is a God. It is up to atheists to prove that billions of people's presuppositions have been wrong.... You assume natural things are all that exist and ask for natural proof of God ...Faith, which is sort of like a feeling--but not just a feeling.

Two points. First, Paul says, "Be ready to give an account." According to the bible the burden of proof is on you. Second, you're dealing with people for whom feelings = chemical reactions. So while I agree with much of what you said at the end of your post, you are still in the realm of "churchspeak" and need to translate for them.

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