How Can Christians Still Believe??

[mediamogul]

Godschild. The story of Moses holding the sea back is another myth. There are no vowels in Aramaic nor Hebrew, therefore in the scriptures the Red sea would be wriiten as....rd s. This has been mistranslated and should be Reed Sea. [which would still be written as rd s] The Reed Sea is at the edge of the Mediterranean sea at the curve where Egypt meets Israel.
The volcano at Mt Etna had exploded thus causing a Tsunami. This in turn caused the sea to withdraw. That's when Moses and his people crossed. As the sea came back in with avengeance, it drowned all the warriors and covered their chariots. The flames in the sky, supposedly God's anger was the flames from the volcano but because of the curve of the earth, only those flames could be seen from the Reed Sea and not the volcano. There has been found lots of larva in the area.
There is a scientific explanation for stories in the bible.
Another problem I have believing is when God supposedly said...'I will send Satan to the four corners of the earth.'
Well, there aren't four corners, its a sphere and if God created/designed the universe he would know that and would have said, 'I will send Satan round the earth. People of those times believed the earth was flat, as a carpet and that the mountains were positioned to weigh it down so that it wouldn't float away.
Greek mythology....Jesus only spoke in parables. If you study them, it's very much like Greek philosophy to me.
I have read the New International Bible a couple of times. I find the old testament just full of violence. They smite them and we smite them etc.
Plus when Moses and his people had reached the desert and out of Egypt. The Lord supposedly went to Moses' tent daily. On one visit, he instructed that any families with teenagers had to pay shekkles and all the monies had to go to Aaron Moses' brother...nice eh? I do think that the reference to the Lord in this story should have read warlord.
If you'd study yourself instead of believing everything as read, you'd come to realise how silly a lot of the scriptures are.
BTW, I was a practicing Christian until my 40s, when it began to dawn on me that the whole subject is a load of fairy tales/parables and designed to keep the peasants of that time under control. Indeed control/power/wealth are still the essence of it today. A good example as to how hypocritical religion is, is when it was revealed that the Vatican City managed their own a birth control pill factory running at great profit!!!!

I'm fully aware there were no vowels used, that however does not mean we have mistaken the Sea of Reeds for the Red Sea. The direction that Moses took does not lead them across the Sea Of Reeds, the crossing is at the Red Sea. The words reed and red are not spelled alike in the Hebrew.
As for your idea that a tsunami was responsible, when a tsunami wave pulls the water from the shore line there would not be enough time to get that many people across before the deadly water returned. Then you have to account for an army of chariots to move into place also, time of a tsunami event would not allow for your idea. Sorry you need to research thoroughly.
The idea of people of that time believing the earth was flat and square is crazy. When God spoke of the four corners of the earth He was referring to the cardinal directions of north, south, east and west. Those directions would cover the planet.
Jesus spoke in more than parables, I thought you said you had read the NT, Jesus used parables to teach truth and at times to hide the truth until He could reveal the truth to His disciples.
If smiting is all you have gotten from the OT then it's no wonder you have rejected scripture and the God who inspired it. I do study scripture and study seriously, I see nothing silly about scripture, what I do see is God's wonderful plan of salvation which begins in Genesis. The OT is a guiding marker to Christ, what do you think the disciples used when they preached the salvation that Jesus brought. I hope you do not think they used the NT.
You and others speak of control, who is doing the controlling and exactly why? Who would benefit from this control you speak of, and do you seriously believe that such an action could be keep from the churches of this day, that has to be one of the most ridiculous accusations I've ever heard. Just because you lost your faith does not in any way make christians stupid, how blind one must be to believe such nonsense.

So where does raping and murdering children come into this plan? Yahweh seems to hand out these things as rewards for conquest. He says "Have at it boys! You earned it!" Then celebrate it later in a Psalm "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." -- Psalm 137:9. Your enemy's child is so much fun to kill! So be happy while you do it!

[Minimalist]

There are definitely no corners on a tennis ball or any other ball/sphere, neither are there any on earth. Shame how people are brain washed with rubbish from birth............

Yet, it is a fine example of the lengths these fools will go to try to rescue their allegedly holy horseshit from the oblivion it so richly deserves.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

#The idea of people of that time believing the earth was flat and square is crazy. When God spoke of the four corners of the earth He was referring to the cardinal directions of north, south, east and west. Those directions would cover the planet. #

Godschild. .........North, south, east, west are directions, not corners. Can you just hold this tennis ball at its four corners please?

Yes I can at the north, south, east and west, you guys claim to be smart yet you can not see something as simple as this.

Why do I always have to explain the Bible to people who claim to be Christians? You see, I don't compromise with science. I read what's there and believe every word as every Christian is supposed to!

When the Bible says "four corners of the earth" it means "four corners of the earth". The Lord doesn't speak in confusing metaphors, except when he does.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Tent = sky
circle =/= sphere
floor of the tent = earth
Floors of tents are flat
Ergo, the earth is flat.

The earth is also a circle with four corners. I'm going to have to pray on that.

[jupitor]

Godschild wrote.....#I'm fully aware there were no vowels used, that however does not mean we have mistaken the Sea of Reeds for the Red Sea. The direction that Moses took does not lead them across the Sea Of Reeds, the crossing is at the Red Sea. The words reed and red are not spelled alike in the Hebrew.
As for your idea that a tsunami was responsible, when a tsunami wave pulls the water from the shore line there would not be enough time to get that many people across before the deadly water returned. Then you have to account for an army of chariots to move into place also, time of a tsunami event would not allow for your idea. Sorry you need to research thoroughly.#

There weren't many people then. In Israel in biblical times there were 180,000 inhabitants for the whole country. It would be similar in Egypt. So there wouldn't be thousands of people following Moses.
When it says flocks of people gathered to hear Jesus at the sermon on the mount....mount again is a mistranslation; it should read...mound. I have been to Israel and stood on the 'mount' it is a mound, about 15 feet long and about 4 feet high. There is no way thousands could flock there. there'd be about two dozen.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

There weren't many people then. In Israel in biblical times there were 180,000 inhabitants for the whole country. It would be similar in Egypt. So there wouldn't be thousands of people following Moses.

The Jewish population in Egypt is well documented in the Holey Bible. It went from just 70 to over a million in just four generations!

Consider, there were four generations from Joseph to Moses.

Ex 6:16 And these are the names of the sons of Levi according to their generations; Gershon, and Kohath, and Merari:
Ex 6:18 And the sons of Kohath; Amram, and Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel:
Ex 6:20 And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bare him Aaron and Moses:

So we go from Levi to Kohath to Amram to Moses. Four generations.

Population of the Jews in Egypt: 70.

Ex 1:5 And all the souls that came out of the loins of Jacob were seventy souls: for Joseph was in Egypt already.

Population at the time of Exodus: 600 K males plus women and children.

Ex. 12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children.

Now let's assume a 1:1 ration of males to females. This means 1.2 M adult population. So the adult Jewish-Egyptian population by generation, assuming a steady population growth with each generation, went like this:

70
1.8 K
47 K
1.2 M

This means that every Jewish-Egyptian couple would need to have had 52 children each over the course of those four generations. This figure only makes sense if every Jewish-Egyptian woman from 14-40 was constantly pregnant with twins!

Now THAT was miracle!

[Godscreated]

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Godschild. The story of Moses holding the sea back is another myth. There are no vowels in Aramaic nor Hebrew, therefore in the scriptures the Red sea would be wriiten as....rd s. This has been mistranslated and should be Reed Sea. [which would still be written as rd s] The Reed Sea is at the edge of the Mediterranean sea at the curve where Egypt meets Israel.
The volcano at Mt Etna had exploded thus causing a Tsunami. This in turn caused the sea to withdraw. That's when Moses and his people crossed. As the sea came back in with avengeance, it drowned all the warriors and covered their chariots. The flames in the sky, supposedly God's anger was the flames from the volcano but because of the curve of the earth, only those flames could be seen from the Reed Sea and not the volcano. There has been found lots of larva in the area.
There is a scientific explanation for stories in the bible.
Another problem I have believing is when God supposedly said...'I will send Satan to the four corners of the earth.'
Well, there aren't four corners, its a sphere and if God created/designed the universe he would know that and would have said, 'I will send Satan round the earth. People of those times believed the earth was flat, as a carpet and that the mountains were positioned to weigh it down so that it wouldn't float away.
Greek mythology....Jesus only spoke in parables. If you study them, it's very much like Greek philosophy to me.
I have read the New International Bible a couple of times. I find the old testament just full of violence. They smite them and we smite them etc.
Plus when Moses and his people had reached the desert and out of Egypt. The Lord supposedly went to Moses' tent daily. On one visit, he instructed that any families with teenagers had to pay shekkles and all the monies had to go to Aaron Moses' brother...nice eh? I do think that the reference to the Lord in this story should have read warlord.
If you'd study yourself instead of believing everything as read, you'd come to realise how silly a lot of the scriptures are.
BTW, I was a practicing Christian until my 40s, when it began to dawn on me that the whole subject is a load of fairy tales/parables and designed to keep the peasants of that time under control. Indeed control/power/wealth are still the essence of it today. A good example as to how hypocritical religion is, is when it was revealed that the Vatican City managed their own a birth control pill factory running at great profit!!!!

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I'm fully aware there were no vowels used, that however does not mean we have mistaken the Sea of Reeds for the Red Sea. The direction that Moses took does not lead them across the Sea Of Reeds, the crossing is at the Red Sea. The words reed and red are not spelled alike in the Hebrew.
As for your idea that a tsunami was responsible, when a tsunami wave pulls the water from the shore line there would not be enough time to get that many people across before the deadly water returned. Then you have to account for an army of chariots to move into place also, time of a tsunami event would not allow for your idea. Sorry you need to research thoroughly.
The idea of people of that time believing the earth was flat and square is crazy. When God spoke of the four corners of the earth He was referring to the cardinal directions of north, south, east and west. Those directions would cover the planet.
Jesus spoke in more than parables, I thought you said you had read the NT, Jesus used parables to teach truth and at times to hide the truth until He could reveal the truth to His disciples.
If smiting is all you have gotten from the OT then it's no wonder you have rejected scripture and the God who inspired it. I do study scripture and study seriously, I see nothing silly about scripture, what I do see is God's wonderful plan of salvation which begins in Genesis. The OT is a guiding marker to Christ, what do you think the disciples used when they preached the salvation that Jesus brought. I hope you do not think they used the NT.
You and others speak of control, who is doing the controlling and exactly why? Who would benefit from this control you speak of, and do you seriously believe that such an action could be keep from the churches of this day, that has to be one of the most ridiculous accusations I've ever heard. Just because you lost your faith does not in any way make christians stupid, how blind one must be to believe such nonsense.

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So where does raping and murdering children come into this plan? Yahweh seems to hand out these things as rewards for conquest. He says "Have at it boys! You earned it!" Then celebrate it later in a Psalm "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." -- Psalm 137:9. Your enemy's child is so much fun to kill! So be happy while you do it!

You need to read scriptures in full and come to an understanding of what is written, stop going to sights that put a negative spin on christianity and determine for yourself what scripture says, if you can. Psalm 137:9, the psalmist is writing about revenge, this is thoughts of the broken heart, God inspired this psalm to show how much suffering Israel was going through because of their disobedience. God told them if they continued down that path He would punish them.

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Godschild wrote.....#I'm fully aware there were no vowels used, that however does not mean we have mistaken the Sea of Reeds for the Red Sea. The direction that Moses took does not lead them across the Sea Of Reeds, the crossing is at the Red Sea. The words reed and red are not spelled alike in the Hebrew.
As for your idea that a tsunami was responsible, when a tsunami wave pulls the water from the shore line there would not be enough time to get that many people across before the deadly water returned. Then you have to account for an army of chariots to move into place also, time of a tsunami event would not allow for your idea. Sorry you need to research thoroughly.#

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There weren't many people then. In Israel in biblical times there were 180,000 inhabitants for the whole country. It would be similar in Egypt. So there wouldn't be thousands of people following Moses.
When it says flocks of people gathered to hear Jesus at the sermon on the mount....mount again is a mistranslation; it should read...mound. I have been to Israel and stood on the 'mount' it is a mound, about 15 feet long and about 4 feet high. There is no way thousands could flock there. there'd be about two dozen.

That's the best you can do, put up small numbers to defend your point, there were hundreds of thousands, YITW says there were four generations, he's wrong. Israel was in Egypt 400 years and a generation spans about 40 years, so there were 10 generations and without birth control couples had many children, this allows for sufficient time to produce a large number of people. As for the Sermon on the Mount, I do not know how big the mount is, nor do I know you were at the correct place, what I do know is Jesus was teaching His disciples and that would be a dozen even, well within your numbers. Yes there were many in attendance but Jesus voice wold not have been able to carry over a great distance, especially outdoors.

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#The idea of people of that time believing the earth was flat and square is crazy. When God spoke of the four corners of the earth He was referring to the cardinal directions of north, south, east and west. Those directions would cover the planet. #

Godschild. .........North, south, east, west are directions, not corners. Can you just hold this tennis ball at its four corners please?

Yes I can at the north, south, east and west, you guys claim to be smart yet you can not see something as simple as this.

There are definitely no corners on a tennis ball or any other ball/sphere, neither are there any on earth. Shame how people are brain washed with rubbish from birth............

Read Isaiah 40:22 and you will see stated that the earth is a circle, and if I'm not mistaken a circle has no corners, so hence the cardinal directions. You guys really should get some brains.

[Phil]

The Jewish population in Egypt is well documented in the Holey Bible.

[Forsaken]

Read Isaiah 40:22 and you will see stated that the earth is a circle, and if I'm not mistaken a circle has no corners, so hence the cardinal directions. You guys really should get some brains.

Flat circle, I presume.
And yeah, I have have counter-arguments from your type that there was no word in Hebrew for sphere, so circle was meant to be sphere in this verse. What a joke! Why didn't god invent the word sphere at that time when he could very well see, with his foreknowledge, that the puny ideas of the medieval goat herders would be mocked in this age.

[The Grand Nudger]

Israel was in Egypt 400 years and a generation spans about 40 years, so there were 10 generations and without birth control couples had many children, this allows for sufficient time to produce a large number of people. As for the Sermon on the Mount, I do not know how big the mount is, nor do I know you were at the correct place, what I do know is Jesus was teaching His disciples and that would be a dozen even, well within your numbers. Yes there were many in attendance but Jesus voice wold not have been able to carry over a great distance, especially outdoors.

Wait now, just how long does a generation span, 40 years or 400, or 900? So you don't know anything at all about the sermon on the mount eh? No specifics, except those specifics that are important to you, with no way to verify the specifics themselves. I applaud you on such cheaply bought knowledge. A short aside- the best part of the Sermon on the Mount is Matthew 5:29, but it's always lost in translation. That Jesus guy, always cracking jokes. Course he'd have to be, he cracked that joke immediately after invoking thought crimes, and you can't let thought crimes float around in the air. Better to get a laugh, break the uncomfortable silence. People remember things better when there's a joke involved as well.

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Godschild. The story of Moses holding the sea back is another myth. There are no vowels in Aramaic nor Hebrew, therefore in the scriptures the Red sea would be wriiten as....rd s. This has been mistranslated and should be Reed Sea. [which would still be written as rd s] The Reed Sea is at the edge of the Mediterranean sea at the curve where Egypt meets Israel.
The volcano at Mt Etna had exploded thus causing a Tsunami. This in turn caused the sea to withdraw. That's when Moses and his people crossed. As the sea came back in with avengeance, it drowned all the warriors and covered their chariots. The flames in the sky, supposedly God's anger was the flames from the volcano but because of the curve of the earth, only those flames could be seen from the Reed Sea and not the volcano. There has been found lots of larva in the area. Yeah, I'm probably the crazy one...
There is a scientific explanation for stories in the bible.
Another problem I have believing is when God supposedly said...'I will send Satan to the four corners of the earth.'
Well, there aren't four corners, its a sphere and if God created/designed the universe he would know that and would have said, 'I will send Satan round the earth. People of those times believed the earth was flat, as a carpet and that the mountains were positioned to weigh it down so that it wouldn't float away.
Greek mythology....Jesus only spoke in parables. If you study them, it's very much like Greek philosophy to me.
I have read the New International Bible a couple of times. I find the old testament just full of violence. They smite them and we smite them etc.
Plus when Moses and his people had reached the desert and out of Egypt. The Lord supposedly went to Moses' tent daily. On one visit, he instructed that any families with teenagers had to pay shekkles and all the monies had to go to Aaron Moses' brother...nice eh? I do think that the reference to the Lord in this story should have read warlord.
If you'd study yourself instead of believing everything as read, you'd come to realise how silly a lot of the scriptures are.
BTW, I was a practicing Christian until my 40s, when it began to dawn on me that the whole subject is a load of fairy tales/parables and designed to keep the peasants of that time under control. Indeed control/power/wealth are still the essence of it today. A good example as to how hypocritical religion is, is when it was revealed that the Vatican City managed their own a birth control pill factory running at great profit!!!!

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I'm fully aware there were no vowels used, that however does not mean we have mistaken the Sea of Reeds for the Red Sea. The direction that Moses took does not lead them across the Sea Of Reeds, the crossing is at the Red Sea. The words reed and red are not spelled alike in the Hebrew.
As for your idea that a tsunami was responsible, when a tsunami wave pulls the water from the shore line there would not be enough time to get that many people across before the deadly water returned. Then you have to account for an army of chariots to move into place also, time of a tsunami event would not allow for your idea. Sorry you need to research thoroughly.
The idea of people of that time believing the earth was flat and square is crazy. When God spoke of the four corners of the earth He was referring to the cardinal directions of north, south, east and west. Those directions would cover the planet.
Jesus spoke in more than parables, I thought you said you had read the NT, Jesus used parables to teach truth and at times to hide the truth until He could reveal the truth to His disciples.
If smiting is all you have gotten from the OT then it's no wonder you have rejected scripture and the God who inspired it. I do study scripture and study seriously, I see nothing silly about scripture, what I do see is God's wonderful plan of salvation which begins in Genesis. The OT is a guiding marker to Christ, what do you think the disciples used when they preached the salvation that Jesus brought. I hope you do not think they used the NT.
You and others speak of control, who is doing the controlling and exactly why? Who would benefit from this control you speak of, and do you seriously believe that such an action could be keep from the churches of this day, that has to be one of the most ridiculous accusations I've ever heard. Just because you lost your faith does not in any way make christians stupid, how blind one must be to believe such nonsense.

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So where does raping and murdering children come into this plan? Yahweh seems to hand out these things as rewards for conquest. He says "Have at it boys! You earned it!" Then celebrate it later in a Psalm "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." -- Psalm 137:9. Your enemy's child is so much fun to kill! So be happy while you do it!

You need to read scriptures in full and come to an understanding of what is written, stop going to sights that put a negative spin on christianity and determine for yourself what scripture says, if you can. Psalm 137:9, the psalmist is writing about revenge, this is thoughts of the broken heart, God inspired this psalm to show how much suffering Israel was going through because of their disobedience. God told them if they continued down that path He would punish them.

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No he is very plainly celebrating the murder of children. Stop trying to put pearls on swine. This book is full of stories about the murder, rape, and abuse of children. This one just happens to be a celebration in psalm form of said events. This is a sick book full of sickening fables. As I said in another post: what other book in the WORLD would you be defending right now that contained the same kinds of things? My guess is none. But no I'M the one who is brainwashed and not thinking for myself. I'M the one who is believing religiously. I'M the one who won't accept this Iron Age book endorsing the murder of children based on pure faith in the face of all reason and evidence.

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Read Isaiah 40:22 and you will see stated that the earth is a circle, and if I'm not mistaken a circle has no corners, so hence the cardinal directions. You guys really should get some brains.

Flat circle, I presume.
And yeah, I have have counter-arguments from your type that there was no word in Hebrew for sphere, so circle was meant to be sphere in this verse. What a joke! Why didn't god invent the word sphere at that time when he could very well see, with his foreknowledge, that the puny ideas of the medieval goat herders would be mocked in this age.

He does seem to like arguing those little minute differences in words as though they make ANY difference in the general point. He's probably one of those people who says "Jonah says 'big fish' not 'whale'".