The secret of the Illuminati and why they are identifiable yet unstoppable.

[The Grand Nudger]

It is't your use of the term Mehm, it's the hilarious fairy tale supporting it.

Hanged for being Freemasons.. fantastic, Ataturk sounds like a piece of shit. I'm not exactly surprised. Scapergoats, witch-hunts, abuse of power you folks really have it all, the total package.

[kılıç_mehmet]

It is't your use of the term Mehm, it's the hilarious fairy tale supporting it.

Hanged for being Freemasons.. fantastic, Ataturk sounds like a piece of shit. I'm not exactly surprised. Scapergoats, witch-hunts, abuse of power you folks really have it all, the total package.

Prove to me that I'm telling a fairy tale Rhythm, if you know so much about them. Tell me why I my viewpoint is supposed to be wrong.
Let's hear your take on freemasonry.

Besides, who are you to criticize our Bashbugh Atatürk and his revolution?
He abolished the caliphate and monarchy by saying "certain heads will be cut off", and then people realized that he was serious, and determined to carry out with his reforms. The closure of the lodges of the freemasons was simply a part of it.

[The Grand Nudger]

"Prove to me god isn't real!"

"Who are you to question god?"

Ignorance. You haven't learned anything here have you?

-It's a social club. It has been been many things in many places, at many different times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

-I'm the kind of person who points out when people do ignorant, bigoted, and flat out dumb shit..that's who.

[kılıç_mehmet]

"Prove to me god isn't real!"

"Who are you to question god?"

Ignorance. You haven't learned anything here have you?

-It's a social club. It has been been many things in many places, at many different times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

-I'm the kind of person who points out when people do ignorant, bigoted, and flat out dumb shit..that's who.

Yes, Wikipedia has truly proved to me that the actions of our leader were wrong. I know that every move of his had a solid motive behind them. Just because you say it's nothing "more than a social club", doesn't make it nothing more than a social club.
Besides, I guess those people don't really hang out there and go through all this secrecy to simply get together and play golf.
Or they don't uphold this grand secrecy for just the kicks of it.
There certainly is something that requires this organisation to keep it's workings secret.
Other than that, my primary opposition was not to them being a social club, or a social club with secrets, it was that they their connections to eachother are seemingly stronger than their connections to their individual nations or countries. In that regard, what really keeps these in accordance with our national goals? If they would stay out of our way, it'd be fine by me, but if they go against us, they are a threat that should be dealt with appropriately.

[The Grand Nudger]

No, lol, wikipedia should show you that it's a fucking social club. Or you could just ask them (but, if you do this, avoid threatening to hang them, or they may not want to talk to you at all).

Yes, there is something that requires them to keep certain things secret, it's called a by law. They like to have secrets, so they made it a rule to keep some things secret. Children also do this, let's fucking hang em!


So what, they choose to side with masons over your bullshit fascist ideology? I'd say that's a point in their favor. But fuck it, let's hang em!

[kılıç_mehmet]

No, lol, wikipedia should show you that it;s a fucking social club. Or you could just ask them (but, if you do this, avoid threatening to hang them, or they may not want to talk to you at all).

Yes, there is something that requires them to keep certain things secret, it's called a by law. They like to have secrets, so they made it a rule to keep some things secret. Children also do this, let's fucking hang em!


So what, they choose to side with masons over your bullshit fascist ideology? I'd say that's a point in their favor. Fuck it, let's hang em!

I do not have the power to threaten anyone. I am not the state, nor am I in any place to speak for the people.
Besides, you're simply distorting my words, and likening masonry to childs games. Hundreds of years of masonic traditions, likened to a child who doesn't want his parents to know about the kitty he's hiding in his room?
Don't make me laugh. Even if you ask a mason about their secrets, why would they tell you about it? As I said, if they were only a group of people who get together to drink tea and socialize, why would they need to go through all the trouble to keep secrets?
I guess you're just defending them just because I oppose them.

[The Grand Nudger]

How much trouble do you think they go through? Looks to me like the only trouble they go through is when jackasses threaten to hang them, how unfortunate would that situation be?

"Tell me your secrets!"

"No."

"You'll be hung"

-realizes at this point the severity of the situation, but unfortunately also realizes that they do not posess any secret which would satisfy the douchebag standing before them. Perhaps they would be completely willing to spill the beans, if only they had any beans to spill-

"RAHOWA!"

Ignorance.

(and yes Mehm, when a group finds itself on the opposite end of your scimitar, that's reason enough to side with them, at least until they aren't staring down the barrel of your poorly aimed weapon)

[kılıç_mehmet]

How much trouble do you think they go through? Looks to me like the only trouble they go through is when jackasses threaten to hang them, how unfortunate would that situation be?

I do not need their secrets.
I just need their loyalty. And that loyalty cannot be secured unless they renounce their allegience to the masonic lodges and declare their loyalty to the Turkish people.
As Bashbugh Atatürk was unable to bring these people on the right track, he ordered their lodges closed, and their activities within our borders stopped.
As a revolution was taking place at the moment, he saw it fit to light some fire under their masonic asses. At least he didn't riddle them with bullets like the soviets did to the Russian royal family, without even giving them a chance to leave the country.

-realizes at this point the severity of the situation, but unfortunately also realizes that they do not posess any secret which would satisfy the douchebag standing before them.

We are not really asking them to spill their secrets. We just want them to spill out why they keep secrets, that's all. The same masons who stood before Atatürk that day, asked him to be their new leader, and that they would be like flies, swarming around him this time, doing his every bidding. Atatürk was very familiar with these people from his days in the military school. He knew that these people were untrustworthy, able to ally themselves with those whom they saw to be the most profitable.

Perhaps they would be completely willing to spill the beans, if only they had any beans to spill-

Oh, and this really brings out something, you say? Atatürk did not ask them to spill out their secrets. He asked them to close down their lodges and cease their activity.
Likewise, how do you explain this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mor...nti-Mason)

Masons have done everything in their power to stop this man from speaking out. I guess they don't really have many beans to spill, yes? If they were willing to go through all these measures to stop this man from speaking...

and yes Mehm, when a group finds itself on the opposite end of your scimitar, that's reason enough to side with them, at least until they aren't staring down the barrel of your poorly aimed weapon

Well, a group will find itself on the opposite end of my sword if they side with a group that is in opposition to me, not the other way.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh, that's why you and your Glorious Leader(thankfully deceased) oppose the Masons?

You should probably look into that one, the narrative is an amusing one. "You worship the devil" - "Uh fellas, lets deal with this asshole".

Social club Mehm.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Oh, that's why you and your Glorious Leader(thankfully deceased) oppose the Masons?

You should probably look into that one, the narrative is an amusing one. "You worship the devil" - "Uh fellas, lets deal with this asshole".

Social club Mehm.

Well, you haven't really answered my posts. You just answers are just vulgar and irrespective to what I've stated above. You can really tell me it's just a social club while providing no logical arguments why a such a secretive society that has members of social, economical and political power should have no goals besides being just a "social club" where people get together to hang out.
Neither can you tell me why they made William Morgan disappear so suddenly. And yes, Bashbugh Atatürk knew that these lodges would probably soon start lobbying the newly founded government. He was a man that was beyond your capabilities, and he was far more knowledgable on the masons than you and I ever were.