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RE: What Would Happen if Christianity Went on Strike?
May 25, 2012 at 1:03 am
(May 24, 2012 at 5:14 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christianity being true would not stop proselytizing, through the faith in Christ God would motivate us.
NMF Wrote:Since you can't grasp the concept of Christianity going on strike, let's try the argument from a different direction.
If you obliterated all knowledge of science from the world. Eventually, mankind would rediscover E=mc2.
Your right, I can't grasp that concept, as your first answer in the poll stated, God would intervene before christians would go on strike. Just as I said in the bold statement above.
You can not prove that man would rediscover E=mc2. Science could go down a different road.
NMF Wrote:If you obliterated all knowledge of christianity from the world. Would mankind rediscover Christianity?
Nobody becomes a christian without being subject to proselytizing. Nobody, having never heard of Christianity, suddenly awakens to revelation about it.
That's why God sent Christ into the world, christianity was not there for man before Christ came. People did suddenly awaken to it, so to speak.
NMF Wrote:It is clear, that without the propagation of myth in a society, Yahweh would join the ranks of Esus, and Drunemeton, and Silvana, and Dervones, and Adsalluta, and Deva, and Belisama, and Axona, and Vintios, and Taranuous, and Sulis, and Cocidius, and Adsmerius, and Dumiatis, and Caletos, and Moccus, and Ollovidius, and Albiorix, and Leucitius, and Vitucadrus, and Ogmios, and Uxellimus, and Borvo, and Grannos, Mogons, Huitzilopochtli, Tezcatilpoca, Tialoc, Chalchihuitlicue, Xipe, Danu, Bishamon, and Baldur.
The tombs of dead gods are extensive and mighty, existing for thousands of years, then slowly dying out as people move on to different ideas and beliefs.
The God of creation went to the tomb also, however He did something the others have not, He arose and still is today. Not only did He arise but He will raise up from the grave all believers, to live with Him forever. Christianity is moving on and on and on, growing stronger and stronger.
NMF Wrote:It is an amusing trait of the religious to believe their faith is eternal, and that somehow, it is true, whether they believe it or not, or whether they worship or not.. yet for thousands, upon thousands of Gods, many of them older and longer lasting than Yahweh are now whispers in the wind aching for man to speak their name, and hopefully kill a virgin or two.
Each and every one of these deities, were believed in as completely and wholly as you do in Yahweh.
My faith is eternal, because my God is eternal, He hears His name called out and praised, He is worshiped and loved. By the way those other gods could not be older than the God who is the Alpha and the Omega.
Quote:Finally, and most relevant to this discussion, is what has Christianity offered mankind that would not have occurred were Christianity never propagated in the first place.
Ultimately, ANY revelation found in the Bible is indistinguishable from God not revealing himself at all
True salvation, eternal life with God for those who choose to believe, true justice for all in the end, simple really.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: What Would Happen if Christianity Went on Strike?
May 25, 2012 at 5:01 am
(May 25, 2012 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: Your right, I can't grasp that concept, as your first answer in the poll stated, God would intervene before christians would go on strike. Just as I said in the bold statement above.
You can not prove that man would rediscover E=mc2. Science could go down a different road.
There's an interesting viewpoint. But the forces of the universe are not likely to change substantially, and these things can be observed on a dailiy basis. It is not unreasonable to expect that things like equations for the circumference of a circle, F=ma would be picked up eventually.
Christianity has no such thing which is evident through observation, and without propagation would die.
(May 25, 2012 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: That's why God sent Christ into the world, christianity was not there for man before Christ came. People did suddenly awaken to it, so to speak.
So he would do so again if everyone forgot about it then. Seems like if you want to prove the existence of God, you need to stop talking about him.
(May 25, 2012 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: The God of creation went to the tomb also, however He did something the others have not,
Many of them did actually. Resurrection is very common to many of the resume of these dead Gods. It didn't save their faith.
(May 25, 2012 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: He arose and still is today. Not only did He arise but He will raise up from the grave all believers, to live with Him forever. Christianity is moving on and on and on, growing stronger and stronger.
Like I said, many of these dead gods pulled the same trick.
Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Attis, Inanna, Tammuz, Asclepius, Orpheus, Ishtar, Ra, Osiris, Zalmoxis, Dionysus, Odin and of course, your Jesus.
Resurrection is nothing new, and they were "with their followers" for hundreds or thousands of years thereafter. There's nothing special about Jesus in this respect.
(May 25, 2012 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: NMF Wrote:It is an amusing trait of the religious to believe their faith is eternal, and that somehow, it is true, whether they believe it or not, or whether they worship or not.. yet for thousands, upon thousands of Gods, many of them older and longer lasting than Yahweh are now whispers in the wind aching for man to speak their name, and hopefully kill a virgin or two.
Each and every one of these deities, were believed in as completely and wholly as you do in Yahweh. My faith is eternal, because my God is eternal, He hears His name called out and praised, He is worshiped and loved. By the way those other gods could not be older than the God who is the Alpha and the Omega.
You won't have been the first person to say something like that. That person would not have been Christian, and he was convinced his faith would be eternal.
Time had other ideas, as it will do for yours. There is nothing inherently special about your faith that hasn't been done before, and for longer.
(May 25, 2012 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: NMF Wrote:Ultimately, ANY revelation found in the Bible is indistinguishable from God not revealing himself at all True salvation, eternal life with God for those who choose to believe, true justice for all in the end, simple really.
Yeah... the dead gods said that too.. yet the halls of Valhalla are empty now.
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