The Doctrine of the Holy Trinity?

[Sam]

Hi All,

I was reading through a number of threads/posts regarding the ntaure and existence of God (primarily the Christian God). Something struck me about the recurring definition I have seen and it's relation to the Doctrine of the Trinity of God.

If as I have heard, God is non-temporal and super-natural exclusively and Jesus is God (as the doctrine goes). Does not the fact that Jesus was at some point natural (as he existed in our world in the eys of christianity) contradict the definition of God laid out by christians? Obviously if God (part of God?) became natural he invalidates this description. Or am I missing something?

I appreciate that I may be missing some subtleties to the Trinity here but this has been bugging me for a while now.

Any Ideas?

Sam

[fr0d0]

Jesus was 100% God and 100% man at the same time... is the full deal. Something (else) requiring Faith to believe in.

And with all the natural stuff, supposedly there was no proof of divine intervention to be had at the time (either). It's all consistent with a non provable God (if that was part of your question).

[Sam]

Jesus was 100% God and 100% man at the same time... is the full deal. Something (else) requiring Faith to believe in.

And with all the natural stuff, supposedly there was no proof of divine intervention to be had at the time (either). It's all consistent with a non provable God (if that was part of your question).

But by the definition you have shared with me these two things are mutually exclusive.

God is supernatural & Man is natural.

You cannot say that God assuming natural form does not break that definition, as you said to me in the Atheism thread;

If anything falls into the natural realm it becomes natural. God being supernatural breaks the theory again.

So god being natural would break his definition and ivalidate his existence.

As a point, I'm not using this argument to disprove God only to asses a weakness in the accepted hypothesis.

Sam

[fr0d0]

Well I'm getting beyond myself here perhaps.. but Jesus being 100% God and 100% man does not = God = Man. Or that the two are the same. Jesus being alive now does not = an actual human. We, being made in God's image also contain God. Jesus is the perfect realisation of that. We can't attain that but strive for it.

Does that make sense? As I said, the belief in Jesus also requires faith. ie it isn't logical. We cannot know again.

[Sam]

Well I'm getting beyond myself here perhaps.. but Jesus being 100% God and 100% man does not = God = Man. Or that the two are the same. Jesus being alive now does not = an actual human. We, being made in God's image also contain God. Jesus is the perfect realisation of that. We can't attain that but strive for it.

Does that make sense? As I said, the belief in Jesus also requires faith. ie it isn't logical. We cannot know again.

Okay, but Jesus cannot be 100% God & 100% Man ... by definition that is impossible.

In this instance I fail to see how that could be reasoned at all. Even if Jesus wasn't actually alive he was still within the natural universe and therfore was natural, him being God means that God was natural ergo; we have a contradiction which seems irreconsilable by reson.

I just find it strange how these two tenets of a religion seem logically incompatible. Yet are still accepted on nothing more than their face value as 'tenets of the religion'.

Sam

[theVOID]

It doesn't just seem to be devoid of reason, it is!

[Retorth]

*Yoda style* Make sense, it does not.

I just find it strange how these two tenets of a religion seem logically incompatible. Yet are still accepted on nothing more than their face value as 'tenets of the religion'.

That is exactly what religion is about. Accepting the information at face value without question.

[Kyuuketsuki]

It doesn't just seem to be devoid of reason, it is!

Kyu

[Eilonnwy]

The trinity means 1+1+1=1 It's bullshit. The other "1" is the Holy Spirit. The old Testament was the time of the Father, the New Testament was the time of the Son. All the time after that is the time of the Holy Spirit.

Technically, according to the Bible if you deny the Holy Spirit, you've earned a 1 way ticket to hell, no take backs. You're done, no matter how good of a person you are.

[Edwardo Piet]

Which is really really moral, how can we deny that(?!) We're fools(!) Duh(!)

EvF