If You whip children with Sticks you are a child abuser and deserve to be in jail.

[Kayenneh]

You have no idea who I am

Might be, but have you been lying in all the posts you've written here? No? Then I can safely say that you are a person I would never want to meet.

and I was not beaten as a child I was spanked, there's a big difference yet it seems to mystify you.

It doesn't mystify me at all. But corporal punishment is what it is, no matter if it's 'just' spanking or beating.

I turned out well.

Well, that's up for debate..

[Shell B]

"If You whip children with Sticks you are a child abuser and deserve to be in jail. Sick Christian fucks and their obsessions with 'sparing the rod'."

Implying that Christians beat their children and also implying weakly that it is a Christian thing to do so.

Christians who are Biblical literalists do or at least are supposed to. It needs no implication. Your Bible directs you to beat children.

There is no logical fallacy in stating that there is an exception to a stereotype.

You didn't state an exception to a stereotype.

If I say only Mexicans steal and someone contradicts that by, them doing so is not a logical fallacy. Nice try though.

Who said only Christians beat their children? I love the snarky comment after you just essentially displayed how much of a goalpost mover you are.

The whole thread is about punishment in this world, not about spiritual punishment.

Ah, I see. So, let's talk about Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Was that concerning some punks who were bullying one of the prophets?

So . . . it's okay to stone children to death if they bully prophets? Yeah, a loyalist in Boston shot a child for bullying him in the 18th century. It was basically one of the reasons Boston eventually went to war. What I'm saying is, even the descendants of Puritan witch hunters know better than to argue that bullying children should be put to death. I'm starting to get the idea that you're not a member one can have a decent, linear, logical debate with.

[Whateverist]

@OP

Reminds me of the old joke ..

Q: You wouldn't hit a woman with a baby would you?
A: No, I'd use a brick.

[Reforged]

Sick Christian fucks and their obsessions with 'sparing the rod'. They are just evil sadists and sexual fuck ups. .

i would have posted a imoticon beating a dead smaller imoticon but this is all they had, but it think your smart enough to figure things out.

Are you trying to say you've moved from children to beating farm yard animals to death instead?
Doesn't really sound healthy either way but whatever makes you happy. :-)

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I can say with 100% accuracy that the book of Proverbs says you're wrong.

Prov 13:24: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes (diligently)."

Prov 19:18: "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying."

Prov 22:15: "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

Prov 23:13: "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."

Prov 23:14: "Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Shoel)."

Prov 29:15: "The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame."

New Testament isn't getting left out of this one either, though.

Hebrews 12:6-7: "...the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son. Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?"

You should do a little research, the word beat in Proverbs 23:13-14 is literally translated smite, which means to strike not beat as you would have it. Why do you think that discipline is bad, how do you think children will learn respect, by teaching themselves, oh yeah I've seen how well that has worked. The world is full of grown brats, self taught respect I imagine.

Proverbs 19:18 Discipline your son while there is hope, and do not desire his death. This is a translation into English as it is used and understood today, I don't know about you but I do not use 15th century English. So v.18 speaks against beating a child. I stand by what I stated previously.

By that same token are we allowed to discipline you if we don't agree with your actions?
I mean I wouldn't of thought that a man in favour of hitting a tiny, barely developed human being would object too much to a little correction now and then. :-)

[The Grand Nudger]

@GC
Beat is synonymous with strike, strike is not synonymous with discipline.

If you want to argue about whether or not it's okay to strike someone thats one thing, but arguing over discipline is another thing entirely. How this would have escaped you is beyond me, unless the only thing that comes to mind when you think "discipline" is "strike".

I disciplined my one year old today, how confident are you that I struck him (or smote him..fucking lulz)?

Somewhere, in a shitty trailer park in south florida -as we speak- a father struck his child so hard that the chocodiles and cheetohs flew out of his mouth. How confident are you that this father disciplined his child?

[festive1]

And this is why you are a Christian. Do. Not. Question. The. Authority.

No, I made the choice long after I left home.

And the Church isn't an authority? God isn't an authority?? They are the ultimate authorities to Christians, who are trained from early childhood, to simply not question.

In some more civilized parts of the world, spanking one's child will result in a visit from child and family services. In this view, spanking, especially very young children, is a sign of stress in the parent and an early warning of an inability to cope with the challenges of raising small children. Helping parents learn more productive forms of discipline is better for the parent-child relationship, and ultimately better for society.

[pocaracas]

Heck... I got 3 kids and, when they deserve it, they get the slap treatment.... after the "talk threateningly method" fails to work. Sometimes, it's the only way to get them to listen or to do something that they have to do.
Like Bill Cosby said: Brain damaged people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyMSc97UksM