God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)

[Drich]

Ok then if this is not our finality then(FOR EXAMPLE ONLY) blow your own head off with a shotgun. I wouldn't recomend that though. And I certainly wont do that to myself.

Just because I have made a desision to be with God for eternity, does not mean my responsiablity in this life is over. For if all who accepted Christ died shortly there after who would be left to answer questions and provide biblical clarity? Without 'us' all that would remain of Christianity is your current understanding of it. Which isn't enough to do anyone much Good.

I have been tasked to share what God has given me, so that others may also come to know God. I have stared down the face of death or at least enough to know that if when it is my time then I will welcome my fate. Granted no one wants to die badly, but if it is my lot to do so then i will accept what I am tasked to complete.

You are sucked into the promise of a fictional utopia. I hate to tell you that the meme of "afterlife" was around way before your god myth was invented, and other beleivers such as Muslims and Hindus and Shintoists have their versions too.

Actually no. Islam did not start till around 610 AD, Shintoist got their start 130 years after the muslims, and Hindus we are reborn into this life.
It may sound cliche but what The God of the bible offers to Christians is unique in the time it was promised.

Life after you die will be just like it was before you were born. The universe was around prior to your birth and it will have no record of you or I after our species goes extinct and our planet dies and our sun dies. I am sorry if that reality is not sexy enough for you, but that is the reality. We are finite, not infinite and we will never be infiinite.There are no gods and no afterlife for us. There are merely people who throughout our species evoltion make up gods and fictional utopias to avoid this hard fact.

we will see. If you are right then no worries for anyone.

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They have to wait to go to eternal paradise. Why did he make them wait when he gave everyone else around them a free pass?

If all returned then who would be left to bring the rest of the flock? Who would attend to you good people, or your counterparts from that time till this? Who would see to all of the other potential converts who have not yet heard of Christ?

"Thou shall not kill" Hamlet says something about it in the Shakespearean play of the same name.

The command is "you shall not Murder." Now all you need is a command or passage identifying suicide as Murder, and you have an arguement. if you can't find one you will still have shakespear, however i do not believe that shakespear counts as canocial scripture.

So you admit that the church is just trying to control us?

Define 'Church."

With so many interpretations of the bible being thrown around, only one can be right if the bible is infalliable. I'm not talking so much about translations as I am the author's original intent. It may have been self-evident at the time, but looking back on it 2000+ years later, there are debates over how to properly interpret certain passages.

That's just it. Our understanding and identification of the infalliable word of God is not the key to our salvation. the bible is just a tool, and like any tool it can be used to build, or tear down. If you look to worship the pure word of god then you have completely missed understoof the content of the bible you have been reading. For only God is worthy of our worship not some book he has left for us.

[Godscreated]

@ Reasonable_Jeff, I also use the NASB and the ESV, together one can find the truths that scripture affords, especially with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Why again isn't there just one definitive translation in each language on the planet? This must go back to god playing hide and seek; in other words, being intentionally deceptive or non-existent.

It's much easier to believe there is no god.

Because ancient languages are difficult to translate, many of the expressions of older languages are extremely hard to translate.
Easier is the road to destruction.

[Cinjin]

You are sucked into the promise of a fictional utopia. I hate to tell you that the meme of "afterlife" was around way before your god myth was invented, and other beleivers such as Muslims and Hindus and Shintoists have their versions too.

Actually no. Islam did not start till around 610 AD, Shintoist got their start 130 years after the muslims, and Hindus we are reborn into this life.
It may sound cliche but what The God of the bible offers to Christians is unique in the time it was promised.

First of all, Christianity is not the oldest religion on the planet by a long shot, and age does not offer a religion legitimacy. So I don't know what you're getting at with the silly dates.
Secondly, Christianity is no more unique than any other religion. In fact it is exactly identical in that it takes tried and true principles of belief and adds it's own "unique" flavor to them to make it appear original. When in reality, its the same old tired bull shit of heaven, hell, blood sacrifice, virgin births, messiahs, miracles and eternal punishment.

Your entire post is painfully dishonest.

[Godscreated]

So a child wasn't sacerficed is that your new assertion?

Are you that dense?

No sane parent would turn their child over to ANYONE that makes thrreats like that to any serious degree. dO THINK parents in real life would allow cops or judges to "test" thier loyalty like that?

If I came up to your kid and stuck a knife to their throat, does that mean I should be in charge just because I have the power to frighten you or bully you, even if I take the knife away and don't do it?

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Thats what hostage takers do in doemestic home invasions and bank robbery situations. They don't want to actually harm anyone most of the time, but WILL let the hostages know and the cops know who is in charge. I hardly find that moral even if no one dies.

Secondly, there is death from the begining of the bible to the end of it, and not all old age natural death. But death that this alleged all powerful being either does not stop or actually sanctions for his "chosen people".

If we are even to assume the myth of the world flood story, it would not be a stretch to assume that even kids and babies outside the Noah family would exist. The story SAYS NOTHING about saving innocent babies, but treats all humans outside that family, including children and babies like trash for the mere crime of being born outside Noah. And on top of that the common excuse given by this fictional gods fans is that it is our fault, even the innocent kids who couldn't possibly comprehend atullt beefs.

THIRD, in real life 35 million peoole DIE world wide every year. that would be 350 MILLION in one decade alone, not to mention thousands of years. All while your fictional super hero does nothing to stop human suffering while his fans claims he is "all powerful", but seems to act like a selective deadbeat.

He is as a CHARACTER, as written, like reviewing a character in a book, can only be assesed as being inept or malicious.

But the third option is that bad and good in life are a result of nature and not a stupid comic book battle between Superman vs Kriptonite.

The point of the post isn't about weither someone died or not, but the mere act of bullying and hostage taking on the God character's part.

If I walk up to you and stick a gun to your head and say "Give me your wallet or I will shoot you dead", and then suddenly walk away without taking your wallet, am I moral even though I still threatened you?

That story is nothing more than a strong armed tactic and bullying for that petty tyrant to demand attention.

In real life NO ONE would respond that way to such an act. Most sane people would grab their kid, get away and call the police.

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If you were to put a knife to a child's throat, I would put a bullet between your eyes, without hesitation, I would not trust you would release the child.

[Polaris]

21 “‘But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow my decrees, they were not careful to keep my laws, of which I said, “The person who obeys them will live by them,” and they desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 But I withheld my hand, and for the sake of my name I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out. 23 Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the wilderness that I would disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries, 24 because they had not obeyed my laws but had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths, and their eyes lusted after their parents’ idols. 25 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; 26 I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord.’

This means the people turned to other gods, such as Molech whose worshipers sacrificed their first-born children by burning them alive.

The other verse "Dedicate your firstborn sons to me" is typified by the life of Samuel where they are sent to be Levities.

1 Samuel 1:11

And she made this vow: “O Lord of Heaven’s Armies, if you will look upon my sorrow and answer my prayer and give me a son, then I will give him back to you. He will be yours for his entire lifetime, and as a sign that he has been dedicated to the Lord, his hair will never be cut.

[Cinjin]

Because ancient languages are difficult to translate, many of the expressions of older languages are extremely hard to translate.

Difficult? For an all powerful creator of the universe?
Shouldn't he be able to keep it all clear and concise for a lousy couple thousand years?

Easier is the road to destruction.

Easier for your "loving" god to simply burn everyone.

[Godscreated]

@ Reasonable_Jeff, I also use the NASB and the ESV, together one can find the truths that scripture affords, especially with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

I tried using the Holy Spirit to read scripture once. I got the same results as when I relied on my friend Harvey, the invisible 6 foot tall rabbit.

For you Harvey was the only one there.

[Drich]

First of all, Christianity is not the oldest religion on the planet by a long shot, and age does not offer a religion legitimacy. So I don't know what you're getting at with the silly dates.

There is this site on the interweb call google pronounced "Goo-gle" and all you have to do is what they call a 'search.' you see when you do a 'search' Google looks up all the related articals and websites that match phrases or key words in your search. This does not mean all pages that google will display are revelent, but if you can click on and find two or more that say the same thing, then (for this crowd anyway) it is enough to argue with.. Most of the time..

Secondly, Christianity is no more unique than any other religion.

Not any more, but that is not what i orginally stated.

In fact it is exactly identical in that it takes tried and true principles of belief and adds it's own "unique" flavor to them to make it appear original. When in reality, its the same old tired bull shit of heaven, hell, blood sacrifice, virgin births, messiahs, miracles and eternal punishment.

Your entire post is painfully dishonest.

according to who? the zeighests? to you who wants to paint all religions with the same brush so it is easy for you to dismiss?
If this is your standard then i guess in this case the 'truth' is relitive.

[Cinjin]

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21 “‘But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow my decrees, they were not careful to keep my laws, of which I said, “The person who obeys them will live by them,” and they desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 But I withheld my hand, and for the sake of my name I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight I had brought them out. 23 Also with uplifted hand I swore to them in the wilderness that I would disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries, 24 because they had not obeyed my laws but had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths, and their eyes lusted after their parents’ idols. 25 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; 26 I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord.’

This means the people turned to other gods, such as Molech whose worshipers sacrificed their first-born children by burning them alive.

The other verse "Dedicate your firstborn sons to me" is typified by the life of Samuel where they are sent to be Levities.

1 Samuel 1:11

And she made this vow: “O Lord of Heaven’s Armies, if you will look upon my sorrow and answer my prayer and give me a son, then I will give him back to you. He will be yours for his entire lifetime, and as a sign that he has been dedicated to the Lord, his hair will never be cut.

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This does not address the verse Ex. 22:29-30 in the OP and is a blatant copout.
It CLEARLY does command the sacrifice of children and just because I Sam does not command sacrifice doesn't mean that the verse in Ex. 22 can be overlooked. ESPECIALLY since there is a precedent set by the story of Abraham and Isaac where god CLEARLY approves of human child sacrifice even if he didn't got through with it in that particular story.

It's the same old apologetics bullocks: "This is what the bible says, but through very careful word bending and jaw dropping mental gymnastics, we can make it seem like our little book of lies isn't filled with such horrific commands from an angry narcissistic dick bag of a god." Meanwhile, you apologists are forced to admit that your god DOES approve of human sacrifice.

Isaac ... yep.
The Egyptians Firstborn ... yep.
His own Son ... yep.

That you can't get around, and yet you'll try to sell us a giant steaming pile of bull shit in order to save face ... or rather save your god's face.

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First of all, Christianity is not the oldest religion on the planet by a long shot, and age does not offer a religion legitimacy. So I don't know what you're getting at with the silly dates.

There is this site on the interweb call google pronounced "Goo-gle" and all you have to do is what they call a 'search.' you see when you do a 'search' Google looks up all the related articals and websites that match phrases or key words in your search. This does not mean all pages that google will display are revelent, but if you can click on and find two or more that say the same thing, then (for this crowd anyway) it is enough to argue with.. Most of the time..

Snarky little cuss tonight. This is a pathetic attempt to dodge an actual response to my statement. I don't give a shit where you got your numbers and that was never my point.

Secondly, Christianity is no more unique than any other religion.

Not any more, but that is not what i orginally stated.

Christianity never was. A unique take on tired old worn out ideas is not unique.

In fact it is exactly identical in that it takes tried and true principles of belief and adds it's own "unique" flavor to them to make it appear original. When in reality, its the same old tired bull shit of heaven, hell, blood sacrifice, virgin births, messiahs, miracles and eternal punishment.

Your entire post is painfully dishonest.

according to who? the zeighests? to you who wants to paint all religions with the same brush so it is easy for you to dismiss?
If this is your standard then i guess in this case the 'truth' is relitive.

Don't put words in my mouth you pretentious god sucker. I never used the word zeitgeist. There's several thousand years of human history that document that every religion steals/borrows from the others and then "makes it their own." Christianity is absolutely no different, and it has morphed and changed just like all the rest.

[Polaris]

Except it's not apologetics. That's doctrine and not of a really academic nature...well if you count philosophy as academic.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Are you the type that would say homosexuality is approved by God from this verse? Saying otherwise is not apologetics.