No...It Isn't What You Think

[Spectrum]

This sort of thinking belongs in the past.

Along with the cultures ruined by a lack of self-preservation, as you would have it?

[JohnDG]

Being anti-someone doesn't make you racist. Being pro-yourself does.
If you love your people/race/ethnicity more than the others, you're a *racist*.

Exactly, that article is total bullshit, because it places people into a concocted category for political reasons.

Most Americans are not racists. Only a small few are, and they are maligned extremists. Liberals like to play on hysteria, claiming there is "implicit racism" all around us. You can be racist, and not know! *Gasp

That's a lie almost all american's are racist though it be different reasons. You can lie about it all you want but it won't change prejudice in the streets, different standards of living or hate and resentment.

Also I don't see how you could be a turkish nationalist to begin with and embrace turkish people. Like any other nation in the world, people probably came in, raped your women, enslaved their bastard children, changed the culture, told them what religion to believe and generally made it so you could never be the same people ever again.

Oh wait, didn't your people do allot of that? Nationalism is just stupid, this world is fucked as long as it remains and people cannot unite as one.

Hey isn't all of that going on in iraq? Soldiers rape, rape is a weapon remember that when you are pro war because you may one day be on the recieving end.

[Spectrum]

That's a lie almost all american's are racist

Provide proof, sir.

[cratehorus]

I think that you're very misninformed. I do not want the world. I just want the places where we are.

bullshit.... you might, but your organization doesn't, if this were true, Turkey would give the Kurds back atleast 10% the Turks currently occupy

Neither do I differentiate between a moslem Turk and a christian Turk.

there are christian Turks??? what? are there three left, after your countries last genocide?

If you're a Turk, you're my kin and brother. If not, you're not.

that's what nationalists always say, then you'll start killing off every minority other than the ideal perfect Turk, which definetly is not a christian one

I am not interested in other nations and ethnicities. I rather would like us to be free from the unwanted attentions and molestations of other peoples. If that requires that we fight, we fight.

so when you get this "Turk only nation" and you are satisfied with the kind of people living in your borders, what then? would you give back some of you land to the Kurds, or will you be more likely to expand?

However we fight only until every last one of us is free from the grasp of the foreigner.

you'll never be "free from the foreigner" you fucking psychopath, your chasing an imaginary monster, once you kill whatever group you've been trained to hate you will move on to the next perceived threat, because your country won't be "perfect" so it must be somebody's fault.......must be those damn christians, right?

That certainly does not require us to pull out a measure so dramatic as you describe it.

I disagree, in fact it's the only logical conclusion, I challenge you to show me different

In theory, true. But in action, you need someone to distribute this capital to someone.

communism is a moneyless and therefore capitaless society, you cannot re-distribute that which no longer exists

And obviously, you cannot have your president or some higher-ups living in the same conditions as a lowly worker, can you now?

yes, in fact one the main principles is that you should pay a doctor the same as you would a janitor, THE SAME AMOUNT

And since their only purpose in actually working for the communist system

nobody should be required to work

is not due to their great loyalty to their people(communism eradicates nationalism), nor their great loyalty to their country(communism espouses internationalism).

they have no loyalty to country, communists are loyal to the people and to them alone

Now don't come to me, and tell me that communism doesn't do this and doesn't do that because practically every application of communist ideology in history is a repressive failure.

we killed hitler didn't we? and besides how do you measure a capitaless society? by how much capital it has? there can be no such thing as a communist country, communism means internationalism

I'm not mistaking anything. In fact, I see communism as the harmful and faulty ideology and economic system it is and always was.

you have no proof of this, and you keep repeating communism is only about economics, if you insist on this false beleif then back it up with some kind of facts, or atleast point to one person who makes this claim instead of just pulling something out of thin air

Like for example, in communism, the workers own the factory. But they're nothing more than just workers still. I really think that communism is an ideology that insults a man's intelligence by producing such crap like this.

the idea of the workers owning JUST the "factory" is not new, it's not even communist, there are many companies who do this, in fact there are many americans doing this, all you have do is vote on what everyone including the owner gets paid, and you vote on all major decisions, it's not hard, and definetly not revolutionary

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http://www.businessweek.com/articles/201...s-at-valve

[JohnDG]

That's a lie almost all american's are racist

Provide proof, sir.

You, giving the my people are not racist(my people), others would respect you more for saying you are and that you work against it.

Just stating that americans are not racist is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. People in china would find it harder to be racist then in america, because here we all have to live together.

[Spectrum]

cratehorus, you don't even have a working knowledge of history concerning nationalism. It has been used for good, such as during the Romantic Era of Western music. You were already warned that you were ignorant on the subject, and yet, you forge on like the usual dunce you are (need I remind you of our last impasse?). Speaking of which, I see you still haven't noticed the practical joke I played on you. I bet you don't notice it for another week.

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Provide proof, sir.

You, giving the my people are not racist(mypeople), others would respect you more for saying you are and that you work against it.

I'm sorry, I don't speak broken English. Can you type with puncuation, next time, so I may understand you? Did you mean to say that I used the phrase, "my people"? I don't recall doing so. I told you to provide proof for your ridiculous claim, because I don't see widespread racism when I'm interacting with others.

Or, are you calling me a racist? I honestly cannot tell...

[cratehorus]

cratehorus, you don't even have a working knowledge of history concerning nationalism. It has been used for good, such as during the Romantic Era of Western music. You were already warned that you were ignorant on the subject, and yet, you forge on like the usual dunce you are (need I remind you of our last impasse?). Speaking of which, I see you still haven't noticed the practical joke I played on you. I bet you don't notice it for another week.

lol what you mean my fake rep point thanks!!!! I appreciate it!!!! you remind me of my last girlfreind

[Spectrum]

Just stating that americans are not racist is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen.

I see that you edited your post. Now, it makes a little more sense.

Why is it dumb? I don't see people using racial slurs and committing hate crimes. Such things are not on the news very often. In addition, racially-motivated, hateful groups are on the fringes, because most Americans despise them.

I know why you didn't provide evidence: you said something that is not true. Now, you are trying to back it up with lame, unsupported assertions. It would be better for you to practice some humility and admit your mistakes. Or better yet, just say nothing, if you can't handle humility.

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you remind me of my last girlfreind

She must have been looking pretty masculine. Are you into trannies?

[JohnDG]

You can't dodge this by trying to insult my typing so deal with it unless you are the one person on AF who cannot read my typing.

I'm simply going to state one of the most arrogant mistakes a racist person can make is say he or his people are not racist.

I admit that I harbor resentment for other race's based upon my life experience's with them. But I work past it because I know for a fact people are just people and those who stick out get the blame.

(I didn't expect an instant reply.) I am not an infallible person. Oh by the way I live in america.

[Spectrum]

You can't dodge this by trying to insult my typing so deal with it unless you are the one person on AF who cannot read my typing.

I'm simply going to state one of the most arrogant mistakes a racist person can make is say he or his people are not racist.

I admit that I harbor resentment for other race's based upon my life experience's with them. But I work past it because I know for a fact people are just people and those who stick out get the blame.

I was not insulting you. Your lack of puncuation obscured the meaning of the message. By the way, I'm not dodging, because I did address your assertions.

lol, now I am racist. I didn't say "my people". Fuck off. You can't even read.

LOL. Now who sounds like the racist? This is classic.

Are you White, by chance? I am being sincere; I really want to know.