Christians celebrate rape, torture, slavery and genocide.

[Cinjin]

If you are a Christian, a Jew, or a Muslim, or any other sect who pledges his or her soul to Yahweh, you are aiding and abetting a criminal. Which makes you no better than that criminal.

For an ex-Christian you give a pretty weak argument. Why not come up with something more direct than a list that is laughable to anyone who's read the Bible? "Moses murders an Egyptian" - what did that have to do with God? Is your argument that God isn't allowed to call and use murderers to be his prophets?

Actually from what we've read, your god is "allowed" to do anything he wants. That's the point. He's a horrible horrible being that punishes entire tribes/nations simply because they were born in the wrong location, under the wrong flag, serving a god that was taught to them the same way the hebrew were taught about their god ... from the parents they loved and trusted. I believe what Ryan is trying to say is, your god is a dickhole.

Don't take it too badly, everyone's god is a dickhole. You see, the people writing about their own god tend to villainize the nation who's land and property they want to take from them. I'm not sure how people don't see this now in the 21st century, but I guess the world is still plenty full of sheep right?

I know I know ... your god is special, but until you get it through your head that your big book of authors is the exact same as every other old book full of primitive scribblings, I will not be able to make you comprehend the simple logic behind the idiocy of it all. Sad really.

[pocaracas]

I came up with a comparison... theists love comparisons!

God is to humans, as humans are to cattle.
We humans, sometimes, kill entire herds (populations/tribes/nations) just because some of the individuals have some disease (mad cows, anyone?).
What moral judgement did we make to kill those animals? none, they're animals.... who cares? They were meant to be killed anyway...
So god also has no moral judgement at all when he kills (or, by inaction, allows the killing) of humans. To him, humans are just cattle.... sheep, actually.

[KichigaiNeko]

And xtians are sheep... ?

[pocaracas]

That's what they like to call themselves...

[KichigaiNeko]

So one could assume that they would collectively celebrate slaughter, etc etc etc (as cited above) BECAUSE they are stupid sheep??

[pocaracas]

Don't they?

[KichigaiNeko]

So it would seem.


They certainly don't celebrate logic and reason

[Aractus]

Actually from what we've read, your god is "allowed" to do anything he wants. That's the point. He's a horrible horrible being that punishes entire tribes/nations simply because they were born in the wrong location, under the wrong flag, serving a god that was taught to them the same way the hebrew were taught about their god ... from the parents they loved and trusted. I believe what Ryan is trying to say is, your god is a dickhole.

LOL. As I mentioned before, as you get to know me you'll realize that I hold very strong views, but that I really don't give a crap about your frivolous attempts to criticize something, especially if you do it in such a poorly thought out way (this isn't to criticize you by the way, just your argument). You may be mistaking me for someone who doesn't read his Bible.

If your argument was valid, you'd produce evidence of Jesus' immorality. There should indeed be evidence of immorality and insubordination for most Biblical figures - this is inherently implied, it is necessary, we expect it. In fact, if there wasn't, your attack would be "what kind of nonsense is this, are we to believe all of God's prophets were perfect people!? These figures are obviously invented!" Christ is, or so it is supposed, the son of God. So where is the evidence of his rampant immorality?

[Zen Badger]

Actually from what we've read, your god is "allowed" to do anything he wants. That's the point. He's a horrible horrible being that punishes entire tribes/nations simply because they were born in the wrong location, under the wrong flag, serving a god that was taught to them the same way the hebrew were taught about their god ... from the parents they loved and trusted. I believe what Ryan is trying to say is, your god is a dickhole.

LOL. As I mentioned before, as you get to know me you'll realize that I hold very strong views, but that I really don't give a crap about your frivolous attempts to criticize something, especially if you do it in such a poorly thought out way (this isn't to criticize you by the way, just your argument). You may be mistaking me for someone who doesn't read his Bible.

If your argument was valid, you'd produce evidence of Jesus' immorality. There should indeed be evidence of immorality and insubordination for most Biblical figures - this is inherently implied, it is necessary, we expect it. In fact, if there wasn't, your attack would be "what kind of nonsense is this, are we to believe all of God's prophets were perfect people!? These figures are obviously invented!" Christ is, or so it is supposed, the son of God. So where is the evidence of his rampant immorality?

Try this, my favorite being the fig tree.
A more petulant outburst is hard to imagine.
http://www.bandoli.no/whyimmoral1.htm

[Aractus]

"Sometimes he reacts like a furious four-year-old when he does not get things his way"

So, according to that person, Jesus expected to find figs growing in the fig tree out of season? Plus, what four year olds are able to curse a fig tree and in doing so cause it to wither?