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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 1:40 am
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As with so many of the bible stories, from Genesis onward, the Babel Incident bears all the hallmarks of primitive man trying to speculate about their world. "Why are there people who speak other languages? What if..." and a myth is born. It takes a few thousand years of spin and a special type of mindset to take that seemingly innocent speculation and turn it into a real historical event.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 2:12 am
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Stories like that also betray how little of their own history these people were privy to. We hear so much about lineage, oral history, tradition when narratives like this are invoked. These people clearly had no such thing if they needed to invent such bullshit. They imagined a life at the "dawn of time" that was no different than their own. They had no clue what their ancestors had done, how they had lived, where they had lived, and just look at how completely unimaginative some of these stories they filled that gap with are in actuality......
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 9:26 am
Gen 11
4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
This is in defiance of God's command in Gen 1:28 to "fill the earth."
I never really considered the actual height of the tower.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 9:41 am
(November 25, 2012 at 3:54 pm)Drich Wrote: God knew that given the drive and purpose of man we would have developed faster than we should have. He felt the need to slow us down a little.
Err.. ok right .. so god didn't allow the building of some minor stone tower because that would make us too smart, but he did allow the pyramids to be erected long before that ... and god was quite comfortable with us developing atomic weapons ...
And how about this ?
I guess god is pissed off bigtime, what an insult this must be ...
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 10:21 am
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 10:26 am
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Yet, we're supposed to be impressed by claims that some dude walked on water.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 10:42 am
The only verifiable truth I have been able to discern from this thread is; on this day, not a single fuck was given by our journeying German.
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 11:14 am
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(November 26, 2012 at 12:18 am)Brakeman Wrote: So said god as told to DRICH. We call this SPAG. It means "self projection as god." Let me correct your statement:
So God told DRICH. (Through the bible) We call this READING, What Is On Page without Adding Commentary.
Quote:In the NIV version:
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Again you have added the commentary. No where even in you perferred version does it say God was worried that they would make it to Heaven. It simply shows a concern God had for the collabertive effort these men would accomplish. (Verse 6 spell the whole thing out for you)
Now if you take what was written and THEN look at what is known now, one can see God was not worried about man building a physical tower to heaven, as 'Heaven" is not a city in the clouds. That forced a thinking mind to stay with in the context of the story itself. In that God's concern was about the collaberation of Man. (As the either account states)
Quote:If a bunch of kids were trying to build a tower to reach up onto your roof, and you did something to scuttle their plans by splitting them up and then said that " I had to split these kids apart because together they can accomplish anything they set their sight to", then it is obvious to any non brain dead member of the human race that you were referring to the kids being able to have reached their original objective.
Ah, no. "Accomplishing anything in their sight" refers to far larger and more ambishious projects than a tower that could not exceed 10,000 ft.
Any "projects" that go outside the plan of salvation God has gets 'corrected.' Why do you think God had Israel destroy so many different people?
Quote:Furthermore, god came down from the heavens, which by the way, is the opposite direction the tower was going up. This also leads credence to the bible author believing that heaven was in the sky and the target for the tower.
So?
Quote:Why does god use the plural form here? why does he say "Come, let us go down?"
God the Father, God the Son God the Holy Spirit, or any combination of the three. All three or Combination meaning more than one hence the plural form.
Quote:I wasn't aware that there was a set speed for mankind's development. Do you have any reference for this
Yes!
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 11:42 am
(November 26, 2012 at 10:21 am)pocaracas Wrote:
Also this:
Guess god's priorities change as he gets older
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RE: As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?
November 26, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Quote:I never really considered the actual height of the tower.
Nor much else, apparently.
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