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I get it now, it's like leaving a takeaway menu with the other services provided by the business. How awful!
Except the takeaway menu gives you a list of real stuff that you can actually buy, so no it's not.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
November 27, 2012 at 2:59 am (This post was last modified: November 27, 2012 at 3:04 am by Aractus.)
(November 26, 2012 at 12:58 pm)apophenia Wrote:
If I may inject a fact or two here. First, despite Daniel's typical disingenous spin, this is not a religious organization, nor is it a part of their mission to further religious goals. Therefore any religious proselytizing, if done using agency resources, is siphoning money and resources away from their actual mission, that of feeding seniors. I haven't been able to procure documents for the specific branch of the MOWAA which serves my area (Minneapolis, MN), but a look at two employment guidelines from other MOWAA branches shows that they forbid the drivers of their programs from proselytizing; I find it incredible that you suggest they both actively promote and actively discourage the activity simultaneously. Second, the meal wasn't free. Despite the MOWAA receiving enormous contributions from volunteers, corporate and individual sponsors and so on, the program still disburses a portion of the cost of the meals by charging the recipient for the meal (about $5, last I checked). Thus my meal was not strictly free, and the portion that was paid for this meal was paid by the medicaid program of Minnesota, which is jointly funded by state and federal governments.
So, no, proselytizing is not acceptable, even by their own standards, and the meal wasn't strictly charity, and was paid for in part by government (i.e. taxpayer) funds.
These facts change the ball game. But only so long as you are correct about their own guidelines. If a sponsor asks for distribution of their material at specific times of the year, they may still accept that. However, if the driver did it on his own, then yes you are correct in asserting that it was wrong.
(November 26, 2012 at 1:41 pm)John V Wrote: So you were bilking taxpayers for a meal you didn't need...nice.
You're an idiot. Christian organizations can choose who they allow to receive their assistance and why they refuse, yes, but they don't decide based on judging people - that's ridiculous. They're made based on whether the service is being abused, and similar reasons. Like if someone is using the service when their needs are better met elsewhere.
You should know this if you've ever been involved in any charitable organizations.
(November 26, 2012 at 1:41 pm)John V Wrote: So you were bilking taxpayers for a meal you didn't need...nice.
You're an idiot. Christian organizations can choose who they allow to receive their assistance and why they refuse, yes, but they don't decide based on judging people - that's ridiculous. They're made based on whether the service is being abused, and similar reasons. Like if someone is using the service when their needs are better met elsewhere.
You should know this if you've ever been involved in any charitable organizations.
I am at a complete loss as to how your response applies to what you quoted.
BTW, if an atheist organization provided charity to the needy and included secular literature which they had found helpful in their lives, I personally would give them credit for being charitable. I wouldn't think that the literature reduced it to advertising and nothing more.
November 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm (This post was last modified: November 27, 2012 at 1:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Meh, you're a far more credulous man than I John. I wouldn't call either example advertising and nothing more..I would call both "advertising and more". The relative value of either endeavor "advertising" or "and more" I would judge based upon how often the one is not accompanied by the other. Again, no one so much as offers you a copy of (or even mentions) "Why We Fight" when you go to the WIC office.
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November 27, 2012 at 1:07 pm (This post was last modified: November 27, 2012 at 1:07 pm by Ryantology.)
(November 27, 2012 at 12:56 pm)John V Wrote: BTW, if an atheist organization provided charity to the needy and included secular literature which they had found helpful in their lives, I personally would give them credit for being charitable. I wouldn't think that the literature reduced it to advertising and nothing more.
If someone handed out copies of The God Delusion with free meals, I would have the same objections regarding the true charity of what is going on.
I think I would very much like if works of classic or contemporary literature were handed out with food, though.
November 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm (This post was last modified: November 27, 2012 at 1:30 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I'm with you on that one Ryan, I mean, if you're handing out meals to the needy, may as well give em a book so they have toilet paper/jacket liner as well, amiright?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(November 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm with you on that one Ryan, I mean, if you're handing out meals to the needy, may as well give em a book so they have toilet paper/jacket liner as well, amiright?
That'd be a great way to dispose of Twilight books, or Dan Brown novels.
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I am at a complete loss as to how your response applies to what you quoted.
