Why do christians think god communicates with warm fuzzy feelings instead of direct verbal speach?

[Norfolk And Chance]

Your brain is pickle. Absolute fucking pickle.

[Drich]

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Constitutes Work according to whom? That is the point here. Christ is showing the contrast between the traditional/religious defination and what God has indended.

this is true even now. god is not a respecter of the traditions of man even if they are directed at worshiping Him, for the sake of the appearance of Holyness. The story of the 'Good Sameritian' is another example of this.

The above, and this:

That is why We are not responsiable for a perfect bible. We are simple responsiable for what God has given us. (The story of the talents explain this.)

are contradictory, no?

No because the Jews were given the Expressed will of God written by His own hand.

We are not responsible for perfectly interpreting god's word, but we are?

You have it backwards. We are not responsiable for Perfectly interperting God's word, and they are.

Then, of course, you will argue that becuase Jesus knew the correct interpretation they should have bowed to it. However, the odds that they trusted him to be the son of god are probably as good as the chances of you believeing that some random person claiming to be the second coming was telling the truth.

Christ was working under the OLD Law with the Jews. (That is why He came doing miricals) It was through Miricals That one was established as a Prophet of God. The stronger and more amazing the mirical the stronger and more important the message the Prophet had. The fact that Christ (Even if they did not believe him to be the Son of God) established Himself by rasing the dead and healing the sick when not even present Would have put Him in a class on his own far above and beyond all other prophets the Jew has every seen. Now couple this with the teaching He had on the sabbath, and his ablity to call on the power of God and do (what they considered to be work) on the sabbath Meant that the Jewish authority had misrepersented what the sabbath was, and what could or could not have been done on the sabbath. That is why they plotted to Kill Him after this. Because basically He had power they did not and basically told all of them and their followers that they did not understand or had the wrong understanding of one of the most basic commandments. He did this in such away that for them they could not deny His authority nor what He said. For they knew only God could grant this power and God would not have granted Him this ablity if He was not Truly repersenting God.

Because god is merciless and unforgiving by nature?

If that were true then why offer attonement?

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Your brain is pickle. Absolute fucking pickle.

Thanks??

If that is not the right response then your going to have to explain what "Your brain is a pickle" means.

[Darkstar]

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It's not like Christianity has to invent atrocities to blame on satan so as to keep people in check. These things happen because there are those of us who live outside of God's expressed will intentionally and unashamedly. As a result Evil things happen. Satan gets the blame because 'we' can not admit the truth. Bottom line bad things happen, and 'satan' is not a valid reason as to why they do. 'Satan' is a copout for those who can not admit the truth.

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Yeah, so atheists aren't being decieved by Satan, as some people actually claim.

Hmmm...that is true. But...it makes you wonder. Humans are supposedly corrupt from birth and can never live 'righteous' lives. So, is it Satan corrupting them, or are they naturally bad and Satan is unnecessary? (assuming Satan is the bad guy)

Considering that Satan is also responsible for that coruption (original sin) and god let him do that too, knowing how it would end...

Satan is not the 'god of evil.'

I never said he was.

Satan's stated role is deceiver, liar, temptor. He is their to identify and encourage other options (with some more agressivly than others Job verses Adam and Eve.)

Yeah, so...you just said the evil was us, and now you admit he is trying to manipulate us.

But as far as him being any type of lord or mini deity He lost whatever independance he had at the cross. Satan was defeated their and now is just a shadow of who he once was.

Where did you come to that conclusion!?! You do realize that he takes over the world in Revelation, right?

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Revelation 12:9
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

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Revelation 13:1-8
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

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[Kousbroek]

...because the Jews were given the Expressed will of God written by His own hand.

No they were not you deluded moron .... how old are you ?

[Brakeman]

Why is this ghost incapable of speaking to people Drich?
(and since when did you get shy of explaining things for god.."jesus explains the change"...wtf is that shit? - hows about you rely that explanation?)

He does. as i said it starts with feelings and matures into direction.

It's been my experience that The Holy Spirit speaks to us the whole time, we just don't know how to listen. It isn't until we learn to follow what God has told us to do, that we learn to hear/listen to the Holy Spirit.

So where is the biblical support for this communication development? Moses, Peter, Paul, and the other characters in the bible did not communicate with god in this severely retarded fashion. Do you have any basis for assuming that this is how god speaks to christians now other than your own "warm feelings?"

Furthermore, My dog can communicate better with me than your god can communicate with you. I know when he wants to stay, go out, or when he's hungry. Yet you think because you had feelings that you should stay with your wife in keeping up with your marriage vows and bowing to societal pressure that the feeling must have been a message from god.
It sounds to me that it could just as easily been a bad burrito.

How could the christian who authored the gospel of matthew have received the detail of the story and words from his divine inspirer if he could not receive any message from god any clearer than "feelings and direction?" Was he a fundamentally different type of christian than yourself?

I would like you to explain why every christian I know backs down into the same hole you do when confronted with the question of how god communicates to you. Despite the fact that it is obvious that the bible stories could not have been relayed through the authors in such a fashion and that bible itself doesn't state god's future communication methods, you seem unable to grasp the whole of the problem.

If god doesn't talk to you in anything but warm fuzzy feelings, then it's likely that god doesn't talk to anyone with anything different either. If god never speaks to people directly in words now, he probably never did, and the bible is simply horseshit that the authors wanted to get others to believe for their own goals. They were con artists and you have been their flunky.

[Drich]

Yeah, so atheists aren't being decieved by Satan, as some people actually claim.

Honestly i don't know. Deception is apart of the deceivers job description. But to say satan personally deceived me and that is why I'm an atheist, doesn't line itself up with the biblical model. Although I do see some common threads or beliefs that most of you share.

Yeah, so...you just said the evil was us, and now you admit he is trying to manipulate us.

Evil is a desision we make. I did not say we could not be influenced. Again I use the examples of Adam and Eve and Job. As both were directly tempted by satan himself.

Where did you come to that conclusion!?! You do realize that he takes over the world in Revelation, right?

Luke 10:
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather[f] rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

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Revelation 12:9
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

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Revelation 13:1-8
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was filled with wonder and followed the beast. 4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”

5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. 8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

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Now ask yourself why if He has this power has he waited so long to use it?

[The Grand Nudger]

What conclusion do you think I was trying to force on you anyway Drich? I don't have a hand to tip. Your experiences may be genuine but clearly the way you communicate them is not. Your "conversations" with a ghost are signs, not conversations. You write checks out to charity, not a spirit. You weren't incapable of comprehending anything, there was no revelation here, you just exchanged one idea you -could- comprehend for another. I understand that some of this probably stems from a drive to use narrative devices to witness, but let me be very clear-

I'm not buying what you're selling. It's not your pitch, it's the product.

So, when you want to talk about your fuzzy feelings, be upfront about it. If you say you talk to ghosts I'm going to want specifics (and so would a great many other people) so save us all, and yourself, the trouble of coming off like a used car salesman, and try not to stretch your experiences of the divine amigo.

@Vinny- I love you too, you're my favorite religious nutbag on these forums.

[Ryantology]

If by 'fault' you mean He is the reason we have choice/ablity to sin. then yes I agree. For their could not be 'choice' with out sin. Meaning if their was only God's expressed will, and everyone was in it (whether they wanted to be or not) then we would not have any choice but to be in God's expressed will. That is what sin is. It is the ablity to be outside of God's expressed will.

No sin, no Choice. So thank you God for sin, and thank you God for attoning for that sin so if I do choose to be with you my choice or ablity to choose does not disqualify me from making that choice!

What is the point of giving humans choice, if your decision from the outset is to make one choice (among countless available) 'correct' and make rules warning of terrible punishment to all who select any other choices?

Really, it is completely fraudulent. By God's own standards, he willfully introduced a defect into humanity by deliberately making humanity desire to act contrary to God's arbitrary and impossible rules, and then blames his own defective product for malfunctioning when the true blame lies within his willful act of sabotage.

[Darkstar]

Honestly i don't know. Deception is apart of the deceivers job description. But to say satan personally deceived me and that is why I'm an atheist, doesn't line itself up with the biblical model. Although I do see some common threads or beliefs that most of you share.

And I see more in common between theists...so?

Yeah, so...you just said the evil was us, and now you admit he is trying to manipulate us.

Evil is a desision we make. I did not say we could not be influenced. Again I use the examples of Adam and Eve and Job. As both were directly tempted by satan himself.

But Adam and Eve did not have the ability to resist that influence, as they did not know right from wrong until after they ate the fruit.

Where did you come to that conclusion!?! You do realize that he takes over the world in Revelation, right?

Luke 10:
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather[f] rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”

Now ask yourself why if He has this power has he waited so long to use it?

That is kind of my point. Can you think of a good reason for god to let him run free when, as far as he is concerned, nothing good can come from it?

[The realest]

Why is this ghost incapable of speaking to people Drich?
(and since when did you get shy of explaining things for god.."jesus explains the change"...wtf is that shit? - hows about you rely that explanation?)

He does. as i said it starts with feelings and matures into direction.

It's been my experience that The Holy Spirit speaks to us the whole time, we just don't know how to listen. It isn't until we learn to follow what God has told us to do, that we learn to hear/listen to the Holy Spirit.

I totally agree with this post. The holy spirit is always speaking. He's always guiding and leading us. listening to the holy spirit is a art. You have to learn his ways and his voice before you can truly here him accurately.