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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.

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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm
(November 30, 2012 at 8:27 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(November 30, 2012 at 7:50 pm)alwayson Wrote: You do realize thats EXACTLY what theists say when asked where their Creator came from.....

So what?

So thank you for demonstrating that atheists like you think the same as theists.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 7:56 pm
What, you reckon that theists and atheists have to disagree on every point?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 8:38 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2012 at 8:38 pm by Darkstar.)
(December 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm)alwayson Wrote:
(November 30, 2012 at 8:27 pm)genkaus Wrote: So what?

So thank you for demonstrating that atheists like you think the same as theists.

These things are on a totally different scale. Virtual particles can appear from nothing via Quantum fluctuations. Very small, insignificant little particles. VS....an entire god, whole and fully functioning from the start, omnipotent, and omniscent. Is the latter reasonable at all? And you cannot say that because god is omnipotent he must exist because he cannot have created himself. Not a valid comparison.
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#134
RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 9:01 pm
(December 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm)alwayson Wrote: So thank you for demonstrating that atheists like you think the same as theists.

Don't be an idiot. If we thought the same, we'd come to the same conclusions.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 9:03 pm
(December 7, 2012 at 9:01 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(December 7, 2012 at 7:45 pm)alwayson Wrote: So thank you for demonstrating that atheists like you think the same as theists.

Don't be an idiot. If we thought the same, we'd come to the same conclusions.

Yes you both are realist.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Quote:Yes you both are realist.

We share a philosophical stance, but we're not one and the same.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 9:05 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2012 at 9:07 pm by Darkstar.)
(December 7, 2012 at 9:03 pm)alwayson Wrote:
(December 7, 2012 at 9:01 pm)genkaus Wrote: Don't be an idiot. If we thought the same, we'd come to the same conclusions.

Yes you both are realist.

Atheist: God =/= real

Theist: God = real

What now?

I just noticed you said "you both" as in, not including yourself. Makes sense that you aren't a realist, considering that you seem to think the universe doesn't exist.
alwayson Wrote:One cannot claim the universe exists.
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I'm using the Buddhist definition of realist.

And it is not that we claim non-existence, we merely remove claims for existence.

We do not put forth a philosophical position.

Nagarjuna said "If I had any position, I thereby would be at fault. Since I have no position, I am not at fault at all."

Aryadeva said "Against someone who has no thesis of “existence, nonexistence, or [both] existence and nonexistence,” it is not possible to level a charge, even if [this is tried] for a long time."
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 9:12 pm
(December 7, 2012 at 9:08 pm)alwayson Wrote: Nagarjuna said "If I had any position, I thereby would be at fault. Since I have no position, I am not at fault at all."

Aryadeva said "Against someone who has no thesis of “existence, nonexistence, or [both] existence and nonexistence,” it is not possible to level a charge, even if [this is tried] for a long time."

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If I don't take a position, how can I ever be wrong? Genius!
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
December 7, 2012 at 9:48 pm (This post was last modified: December 7, 2012 at 9:49 pm by jonb.)
(December 7, 2012 at 9:08 pm)alwayson Wrote: I'm using the Buddhist definition of realist.

And it is not that we claim non-existence, we merely remove claims for existence.

We do not put forth a philosophical position.

Nagarjuna said "If I had any position, I thereby would be at fault. Since I have no position, I am not at fault at all."

Aryadeva said "Against someone who has no thesis of “existence, nonexistence, or [both] existence and nonexistence,” it is not possible to level a charge, even if [this is tried] for a long time."

But you have asserted the existence of a connection of all western thinking, so you are at fault, unless you relinquish that assertion of existence, because in so doing you have created a position for yourself.
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