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Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
November 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Theism and Western atheism are both based on the assumption that things exist. Thus both are on the same continuum of realism.
The following is a summary of Madhyamaka (which is a system of negation):
All philosophical and religious positions revolve around only 2 views: Existence and Nonexistence.
One cannot claim that anything exists, since for something to exist it would logically have to arise from a) itself b) other or c) both these possibilities together
Something cannot arise from itself, because that brings numerous contradictions. For example, arising would have to be part of its intrinsic nature, which would in turn lead to endless arisings.
Something cannot arise from other, because then you could have a giraffe spring from a rock. Anything could arise from anything. Moreover if an entity in itself does not exist, an entity other than it does not exist either.
Something cannot arise from both these possibilities together, because each one has been individually negated already.
All we are left with is illusion. Things only seem real because of imputed identities.
Reference: Center Of The Sunlit Sky by Karl Brunnholzl
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November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Yeah, it's the same continum. We are on the sane end, and you are on the other end.
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November 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@OP
You're taking the wrong drugs.
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November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm)Chuck Wrote: Yeah, it's the same continum. We are on the deluded end, and you are on the other end.
I corrected that for you.
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November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Am I to assume, then, that you cannot claim that Madhyamaka exists?
Good, I no longer care.
(ever considered dropping the extraneous baggage of buddhism for a simpler type of nihilism?)
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November 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm
I thought it was common courtesy to flush after taking a shit.
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November 28, 2012 at 4:22 pm
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(November 28, 2012 at 4:18 pm)alwayson Wrote: (November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm)Chuck Wrote: Yeah, it's the same continum. We are on the deluded end, and you are on the other end.
I corrected that for you.
You contradict yourself:
(November 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm)alwayson Wrote: All we are left with is illusion.
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November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.
Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
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November 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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(November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm)alwayson Wrote: Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning. Who cares, can you?
Quote:Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
Do non-existent things require causes? WTF is a cause anyway..sounds like another non-existent thing.....
(Our distaste for infinite regress might have more to do with our inability to draw a conclusion from it than it does with whether or not an infinite regress is "possible" - it doesn't explain anything, so it isn't "valid" - what any of that has to do with "common sense" is anyones guess....and why would anyone want to align themselves with "common sense" in the first place? Have you seen the shit that common sense has produced? Common sense is commonly incorrect)
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RE: Theism and Western atheism are on the same continuum. Both are realist.
November 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm
(November 28, 2012 at 4:24 pm)alwayson Wrote: Science will never explain the beginning of the universe, because there is no beginning.
Even from a common sense standpoint, Big Bang has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which itself has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes, which has previous causes etc.
Without having any common sense, how do you speak from it?
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