Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge

[Minimalist]

What in the world could ALL Christians be doing on a sunday that "you people" do not?

In the case of catholic priests, fucking altar boys up the ass.

[DeistPaladin]

Why do you say Christ did nothing? Are these acts still being carried out in his name? Has the bible been amended to command such a behaivor in Christians as some church leaders wanted? No?!? If Christ is the monster you have described then why put an end to these terriable acts? Why are we allowed to continue on slaughtering those who do not believe as we believe?

It isn't Jesus who put a stop to (most) of the atrocities of Christianity today. I say "most" because they still commit them where they can. See the modern witch hunts of Africa for one example that leaps to mind.

It is civilization. Christianity is like a rapid dog that has been caged and muzzled. Christians point to the dog and say, "see, it's not biting anyone anymore." But that's only because it has been restrained. Take a good look at the Dominionist movement to get an idea of what Christians would do if they could.

[Cyberman]

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"Your theist Friends" could ALL be doing something else on a Sunday... Hmmm What could that possiably be???

What in the world could ALL Christians be doing on a sunday that "you people" do not?

Learning how to spell common words? It could "possiably" be anything. Unlike you, I try not to lump people into easy-to-handle categories. In any case, I'm not entirely convinced that "ALL" xtians engage in the same activity on a Sunday. The ones I know in real life only tend to do that when it suits them, and a few have stopped doing even that.

[Faith No More]

It isn't Jesus who put a stop to (most) of the atrocities of Christianity today. I say "most" because they still commit them where they can. See the modern witch hunts of Africa for one example that leaps to mind.

It is civilization. Christianity is like a rapid dog that has been caged and muzzled. Christians point to the dog and say, "see, it's not biting anyone anymore." But that's only because it has been restrained. Take a good look at the Dominionist movement to get an idea of what Christians would do if they could.

Even if we were to accept the premise that Jesus was responsible for taming Christianity, the problem for the theist then becomes why did it take so long?

[DeistPaladin]

Oops, I did post this as its own thread.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-12292-po...#pid271983

Sorry.

[Drich]

[quote='Drich' pid='382260' dateline='1357512997']
Why do you say Christ did nothing? Are these acts still being carried out in his name? Has the bible been amended to command such a behaivor in Christians as some church leaders wanted? No?!? If Christ is the monster you have described then why put an end to these terriable acts? Why are we allowed to continue on slaughtering those who do not believe as we believe?

It isn't Jesus who put a stop to (most) of the atrocities of Christianity today.

who says you?

I say "most" because they still commit them where they can. See the modern witch hunts of Africa for one example that leaps to mind.

You do know I have google right? So you will know that when I type in Morder witch hunt Africa" I get a list on non Christian tribes men hunting and killing (mostly women) for putting curses on their villiages and or family members. Witch hunts are and always have been apart of Sub-Saharan African culture. Christianity is a new adaptation being incoperated into that culture. in some ways very sucessfully and others not so much. given enough time and the chance Christ will put a stop to witch hunts in their culture as He did in western culture.

It is civilization. Christianity is like a rapid dog that has been caged and muzzled. Christians point to the dog and say, "see, it's not biting anyone anymore." But that's only because it has been restrained.

Rap-id dog.. I know i am THE LAST person here to make fun of the way someone spells but this conjoured a picture of a dog at a mic "lay'n down the ryhms." Rap-id...

Anyway, I got the gist. Christianity at the height of the Dark ages, and into the victorean era ruled this world with an Iron fist. and with this ultimate supream power, you believe the 'church' just turned it over to the popular vote? ah, no. Christ allow the church to grow into a perverse monster for a reason, to allow it to mature and grow into what it was always meant to be. Why? because we (Christian's) Needed to see the progression to fully understand who we are and what it is the church is supposed to be. Christian needed that thorn in our collective flesh to help us retain true humility. So that we do not boast of the greatness of man made worship, but to give glory to the attonement that truly saves and not to our own efforts.

The Sub-Saharan African church seems to have to do this for themselves.

Take a good look at the Dominionist movement to get an idea of what Christians would do if they could.

Now see this is a perfect example of the reason Christ allowed the church to grow into the monster it became. So people like me can look at a 'movement' like the one you pointed out and tell you it is nothing more than a call to like minded believers to construct a power base, on legalistic principles. Legalism is a practice condemned by Christ. Now with the example of the Parasees and the Dark ages Church I and others like me can point to how and why that is wrong. Thus seperating legalist from biblical Christianity.

The Chruch needs a period like this to grown but looking back at those dark times and longing for them is a mistake. again a perspective not possiable if not for Christ allowing the church to hit a critical mass before destroying it with the principles christianity was founded upon.

[ThomM]

In law - there is a concept called either Depraved Ambivalence or Depraved indifference - In which a person who KNOWS a crime will be committed has a duty to inform the authorities or do something to prevent that crime - and failure to do that is equivalent to abetting the crime - and is normally applied to Major crime like murder - terrorism - rape - sex crimes on children - etc.

WE call a person who watches people commit illegal sex acts to be a "pervert."
If a god actually existed - and was - as claimed by the religions - almighty - all seeing and all knowing - then

Today - more than 3000 babies and very young children will be sexually molested by a family member.

IF a god is ALL KNOWING - it knows that will happen
IF a god is ALL SEEING - it actually watches it happen
AND if a god WERE almighty - it would supposedly have the ability to PREVENT it from happening

If ALL the god does is sit there and look down - it is a depraved pervert

Why do christians bow down to a depraved pervert?

Again - the response from xtians will be that gods do no work that way - or that there is something that their supposedly almighty god cannot do!

[Ryantology]

You do know I have google right? So you will know that when I type in Morder witch hunt Africa" I get a list on non Christian tribes men hunting and killing (mostly women) for putting curses on their villiages and or family members. Witch hunts are and always have been apart of Sub-Saharan African culture. Christianity is a new adaptation being incoperated into that culture. in some ways very sucessfully and others not so much. given enough time and the chance Christ will put a stop to witch hunts in their culture as He did in western culture.

Unfortunately, Christ still loves genocide and still hates gay people.

[DeistPaladin]

[quote='Drich' pid='382719' dateline='1357596284']
[quote]It isn't Jesus who put a stop to (most) of the atrocities of Christianity today.[/quote]who says you?

Says the law. Christians can't torture and murder anymore. The Enlightenment that we enjoy today was only possible once the power of Christianity was broken.

[quote]You do know I have google right? [/quote]
I saw this on the news. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/us/22b....html?_r=0

[quote]Christ will put a stop to witch hunts in their culture as He did in western culture.[/quote]
I see. He's waiting until they're "ready", right. I've heard this apology before. It's a morally suspect argument from the get-go but rendered absurd once we remember we're talking about God.

I don't even feel the need to respond to the rest of your post. It pwns itself.

I am sorry about my spelling mistake, though.

[Faith No More]

Christ allow the church to grow into a perverse monster for a reason, to allow it to mature and grow into what it was always meant to be. Why? because we (Christian's) Needed to see the progression to fully understand who we are and what it is the church is supposed to be. Christian needed that thorn in our collective flesh to help us retain true humility. So that we do not boast of the greatness of man made worship, but to give glory to the attonement that truly saves and not to our own efforts.

Wow. How arrogant can you get? Christ allowed torture and genocide in his name simply so you and others could gain understanding? To believe others were allowed to be slaughtered so you could gain a unique perspective on your religion is nothing short of sickening. You are justifying your God's complete indifference to human life by saying, "well, I benefited from it, so that must have been the reason."

Fuck me, that's disgusting.